1 00:00:22,010 --> 00:00:03,260 now and you then you'll hear me do the 2 00:01:09,300 --> 00:00:34,480 [Music] 3 00:01:12,090 --> 00:01:09,310 and good morning from Philadelphia Frank 4 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:12,100 here and today we've got a very special 5 00:01:17,250 --> 00:01:14,890 guest and what are the people in the UFO 6 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:17,260 field I'm a really big fan of I'm a 7 00:01:20,550 --> 00:01:19,090 really big fan of John Burroughs and 8 00:01:22,730 --> 00:01:20,560 he's with us today 9 00:01:25,320 --> 00:01:22,740 good morning John how you doing today 10 00:01:27,810 --> 00:01:25,330 doing great Frank thanks for having me 11 00:01:31,770 --> 00:01:27,820 on absolutely this is really my pleasure 12 00:01:34,980 --> 00:01:31,780 because I've seen John obviously going 13 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:34,990 back years and years and years I've had 14 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:37,210 the opportunity to to get to correspond 15 00:01:41,310 --> 00:01:39,610 with them and I get them get to know him 16 00:01:43,770 --> 00:01:41,320 a little bit as best as you can know 17 00:01:46,350 --> 00:01:43,780 somebody through corresponding guy on 18 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:46,360 line and all that and I'm just a big fan 19 00:01:50,130 --> 00:01:47,890 of John's and I'm really pleased 20 00:01:52,770 --> 00:01:50,140 especially pleased on a personal level 21 00:01:55,530 --> 00:01:52,780 to have him on here today so right let's 22 00:01:58,590 --> 00:01:55,540 say what's not let's not wait around and 23 00:02:01,140 --> 00:01:58,600 beat around the bush John obviously you 24 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:01,150 were a prime witness in the very famous 25 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:04,570 Rendlesham case going back to 1980 26 00:02:10,350 --> 00:02:07,810 that's that's what got you into all this 27 00:02:13,860 --> 00:02:10,360 in the first place and going back and 28 00:02:15,780 --> 00:02:13,870 forth it's been a famous case pretty 29 00:02:17,970 --> 00:02:15,790 much from the get-go hasn't it I mean 30 00:02:19,140 --> 00:02:17,980 not long after it happened words seeped 31 00:02:20,850 --> 00:02:19,150 out and it was getting some press 32 00:02:24,570 --> 00:02:20,860 coverage pretty much right away it 33 00:02:27,479 --> 00:02:24,580 wasn't that the case well I mean it did 34 00:02:30,330 --> 00:02:27,489 get leaked out I mean the the whole 35 00:02:31,979 --> 00:02:30,340 concept behind it was when we were 36 00:02:33,780 --> 00:02:31,989 involved with it when it first happened 37 00:02:38,130 --> 00:02:33,790 we were told it was going to be kept 38 00:02:40,140 --> 00:02:38,140 quiet and then they were able to get why 39 00:02:42,390 --> 00:02:40,150 they there was groups of people that 40 00:02:44,479 --> 00:02:42,400 found out about it early on the first 41 00:02:46,979 --> 00:02:44,489 group was three women in the UK actually 42 00:02:49,350 --> 00:02:46,989 one then the second one was brought in 43 00:02:51,210 --> 00:02:49,360 and the third one and they got some 44 00:02:53,729 --> 00:02:51,220 information about it right after it 45 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:53,739 happened and they started digging and 46 00:02:59,729 --> 00:02:57,730 they were getting stonewalled so as it 47 00:03:02,520 --> 00:02:59,739 went along some people in the United 48 00:03:05,970 --> 00:03:02,530 States got involved and they were able 49 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:05,980 to get this memo and the memo confirmed 50 00:03:10,500 --> 00:03:07,570 everything that both the British the 51 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:10,510 American government were denying that 52 00:03:13,750 --> 00:03:12,170 something did happen and in 53 00:03:17,589 --> 00:03:13,760 up in a newspaper called news of the 54 00:03:19,540 --> 00:03:17,599 world and from that point on all of our 55 00:03:21,100 --> 00:03:19,550 lives changed because we started getting 56 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:21,110 hunted down one by one 57 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:23,810 and people started asking us what 58 00:03:28,750 --> 00:03:25,730 happened what went on and that's how the 59 00:03:31,150 --> 00:03:28,760 story started and I mean it really if it 60 00:03:32,470 --> 00:03:31,160 would have been kept quiet I mean I 61 00:03:35,860 --> 00:03:32,480 wouldn't be involved in any of this 62 00:03:37,660 --> 00:03:35,870 today so you would have just put it 63 00:03:39,910 --> 00:03:37,670 behind you and just moved on and not 64 00:03:42,100 --> 00:03:39,920 really worried about it well I mean it's 65 00:03:44,890 --> 00:03:42,110 a mess I mean it's been a mess from 66 00:03:47,830 --> 00:03:44,900 since the moment it saw the light of day 67 00:03:50,789 --> 00:03:47,840 it started out with the colonel who 68 00:03:54,100 --> 00:03:50,799 wrote the memo wasn't honest about oh 69 00:03:55,570 --> 00:03:54,110 whoa let me put it this way the memo was 70 00:03:57,550 --> 00:03:55,580 never supposed to see the light of day 71 00:03:59,680 --> 00:03:57,560 which is what you hear so much about 72 00:04:01,240 --> 00:03:59,690 when documents do get released on 73 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:01,250 different things in different incidents 74 00:04:04,809 --> 00:04:03,530 this memo was an internal memo that was 75 00:04:07,780 --> 00:04:04,819 never supposed to see the light of day 76 00:04:09,370 --> 00:04:07,790 well if you look at the memo the memo is 77 00:04:11,860 --> 00:04:09,380 not factual it doesn't have the right 78 00:04:15,220 --> 00:04:11,870 dates times and everything else in it so 79 00:04:17,500 --> 00:04:15,230 the colonel himself lied is the cover 80 00:04:20,050 --> 00:04:17,510 story is is that he wrote a memo to give 81 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:20,060 to the mod-2 explain what went on and 82 00:04:24,370 --> 00:04:22,250 this was his memo that he gave to them 83 00:04:27,460 --> 00:04:24,380 and he lied to the mo D that's the only 84 00:04:29,890 --> 00:04:27,470 way you can look at it unless the memo 85 00:04:31,300 --> 00:04:29,900 was just a cya that was done because the 86 00:04:33,430 --> 00:04:31,310 mo D had already been briefed and they 87 00:04:35,890 --> 00:04:33,440 wanted to have a memo ready in case 88 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:35,900 things got too hot and then the cover 89 00:04:40,029 --> 00:04:37,490 story would be well we give it to the mo 90 00:04:41,529 --> 00:04:40,039 D and the CI Modi's problem and the mo D 91 00:04:43,900 --> 00:04:41,539 says no it's an American problem which 92 00:04:46,270 --> 00:04:43,910 is what they did and then oops the memo 93 00:04:48,190 --> 00:04:46,280 that sees the light of day just totally 94 00:04:49,570 --> 00:04:48,200 distorts what went on in the dates times 95 00:04:52,420 --> 00:04:49,580 and everything else which is what 96 00:04:54,610 --> 00:04:52,430 happened so from the get-go the colonel 97 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:54,620 the lieutenant colonel at the time he 98 00:04:59,290 --> 00:04:57,289 ended up retiring as a colonel I wasn't 99 00:05:01,750 --> 00:04:59,300 truthful about what took place and what 100 00:05:04,900 --> 00:05:01,760 I mean by triple is what was released to 101 00:05:07,420 --> 00:05:04,910 the public so I have no idea what went 102 00:05:10,140 --> 00:05:07,430 on internally both public wise what was 103 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:10,150 released about the case wasn't true so 104 00:05:14,110 --> 00:05:12,530 okay what the what said the time frame 105 00:05:16,719 --> 00:05:14,120 is this within a matter of weeks or 106 00:05:18,370 --> 00:05:16,729 months or well well that's the whole 107 00:05:19,810 --> 00:05:18,380 thing with the memo his cover story was 108 00:05:23,380 --> 00:05:19,820 at first he's stuck with the dates and 109 00:05:25,990 --> 00:05:23,390 times but then what happened was a lot 110 00:05:28,330 --> 00:05:26,000 of people start looking at this case 111 00:05:30,580 --> 00:05:28,340 and they started uncovering other 112 00:05:34,390 --> 00:05:30,590 documents and one of the first things 113 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:34,400 that caused the his credibility to start 114 00:05:38,110 --> 00:05:36,410 to be questioned was that they found 115 00:05:40,420 --> 00:05:38,120 Bernie's police logs and the bridge 116 00:05:42,250 --> 00:05:40,430 police logs showed different dates than 117 00:05:45,370 --> 00:05:42,260 what the memo did okay 118 00:05:47,650 --> 00:05:45,380 but along the way as soon as I saw the 119 00:05:49,690 --> 00:05:47,660 memo and was asked about it I said it's 120 00:05:51,820 --> 00:05:49,700 not factual it's not factual in a lot of 121 00:05:54,460 --> 00:05:51,830 different ways and of course I got this 122 00:05:55,990 --> 00:05:54,470 I'm lying I'm covering it up on this and 123 00:05:58,780 --> 00:05:56,000 then I said well no this is the dates 124 00:06:00,430 --> 00:05:58,790 and times so people start digging and 125 00:06:04,570 --> 00:06:00,440 they started finding pieces of evidence 126 00:06:06,580 --> 00:06:04,580 that showed that um that yeah I was 127 00:06:10,780 --> 00:06:06,590 right and the memo was wrong for 128 00:06:12,730 --> 00:06:10,790 whatever reason okay so it got exposed 129 00:06:15,670 --> 00:06:12,740 and and then one of the more interesting 130 00:06:18,310 --> 00:06:15,680 pieces of document is one of the more 131 00:06:20,620 --> 00:06:18,320 interesting pieces that was released in 132 00:06:23,170 --> 00:06:20,630 in and this is another story it's been 133 00:06:26,110 --> 00:06:23,180 blown up and twisted and it's not 134 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:26,120 factual was that awesome of our 135 00:06:31,719 --> 00:06:28,490 statements eventually serviced well you 136 00:06:33,940 --> 00:06:31,729 know this guy some ufologist in the UK 137 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:33,950 who got proven out to be later to be a 138 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:36,050 liar supposedly was the one that got 139 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:38,810 them actually the statements were 140 00:06:44,020 --> 00:06:41,810 released originally from Hall to me and 141 00:06:45,690 --> 00:06:44,030 do a couple other guys that were 142 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:45,700 interested in the case or even 143 00:06:49,840 --> 00:06:48,050 interested in maybe doing a book with 144 00:06:52,210 --> 00:06:49,850 Colonel halt night and then Penniston 145 00:06:54,610 --> 00:06:52,220 was going to be involved and we were on 146 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:54,620 the set of unsolved mysteries and we're 147 00:06:58,659 --> 00:06:56,570 talking about this stuff and the guy 148 00:07:00,880 --> 00:06:58,669 that was was there with me or his name 149 00:07:02,620 --> 00:07:00,890 is Ben Jameson he's done he did more 150 00:07:04,060 --> 00:07:02,630 work I don't even know if he's still 151 00:07:06,219 --> 00:07:04,070 alive anymore he was older at the time 152 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:06,229 anyway but he did more work on 153 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:09,290 Bentwaters than most and so we're 154 00:07:14,650 --> 00:07:11,450 standing there on a break on a night 155 00:07:16,570 --> 00:07:14,660 film and we start talking and Ben being 156 00:07:19,570 --> 00:07:16,580 bet and just ask all about well there 157 00:07:21,430 --> 00:07:19,580 seems to be discrepancies in the dates 158 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:21,440 and times and all this other stuff and 159 00:07:25,450 --> 00:07:23,210 John has pointed this in this I would 160 00:07:27,490 --> 00:07:25,460 say you colonel and the colonel said 161 00:07:31,450 --> 00:07:27,500 hold on and he pulls out these 162 00:07:33,370 --> 00:07:31,460 statements out of the out of his 163 00:07:35,290 --> 00:07:33,380 briefcase that he had with him like a 164 00:07:38,650 --> 00:07:35,300 little yeah actually had a regular 165 00:07:39,340 --> 00:07:38,660 briefcase at the time with him and so he 166 00:07:41,410 --> 00:07:39,350 hands him 167 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:41,420 out and they start reading everybody 168 00:07:45,970 --> 00:07:43,010 starts reading them and all of a sudden 169 00:07:47,890 --> 00:07:45,980 been I didn't I was looking through them 170 00:07:50,410 --> 00:07:47,900 and I there was several of them so I 171 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:50,420 hadn't gotten to mine yet and been his 172 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:51,770 eyes got real big because he's looking 173 00:07:57,100 --> 00:07:54,050 at mine first and he said holy crap 174 00:08:00,550 --> 00:07:57,110 it says zero three hundred on 26 175 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:00,560 December and he looks at me and and in 176 00:08:05,010 --> 00:08:02,930 bed it had doubts about me too and looks 177 00:08:07,930 --> 00:08:05,020 at Colonel halt he says Colonel halt 178 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:07,940 your memo said a different date and time 179 00:08:13,570 --> 00:08:09,770 how can you explain that now and he says 180 00:08:15,100 --> 00:08:13,580 oh I must have made an error you know it 181 00:08:16,870 --> 00:08:15,110 was just an error and oversight on my 182 00:08:19,870 --> 00:08:16,880 part on what the real dates at times 183 00:08:22,150 --> 00:08:19,880 were gone when I wrote him and I said 184 00:08:23,980 --> 00:08:22,160 well excuse me colonel but according to 185 00:08:25,900 --> 00:08:23,990 what you've told some people is that you 186 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:25,910 took the actual rule reports and these 187 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:28,250 statements here and used it well if you 188 00:08:31,990 --> 00:08:29,570 did how could you 189 00:08:34,270 --> 00:08:32,000 misconstrue the dates and times and he 190 00:08:36,370 --> 00:08:34,280 didn't want to answer it he just never 191 00:08:39,550 --> 00:08:36,380 gave a straight and satisfactory answer 192 00:08:41,350 --> 00:08:39,560 and how he originally he gave the wrong 193 00:08:46,750 --> 00:08:41,360 dates in this memo that saw the public 194 00:08:48,790 --> 00:08:46,760 eye guy so he he he immediately was a 195 00:08:52,420 --> 00:08:48,800 part of some kind of cover-up as well I 196 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:52,430 guess my point okay now you mentioned 197 00:08:56,230 --> 00:08:54,410 that this was part of your doing there 198 00:08:59,410 --> 00:08:56,240 the unsolved mystery show and I think 199 00:09:01,540 --> 00:08:59,420 that was my first exposure to this case 200 00:09:03,910 --> 00:09:01,550 that was that was not a media well that 201 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:03,920 was a couple years three years four 202 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:06,170 years after the actual incident I don't 203 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:09,050 have the exact day a year but it was in 204 00:09:12,790 --> 00:09:10,850 the early 90s oh really ninety so 205 00:09:15,250 --> 00:09:12,800 several years after yeah it was yeah was 206 00:09:16,300 --> 00:09:15,260 that it was after Colonel Hall a matter 207 00:09:18,670 --> 00:09:16,310 of fact that what I think it have been 208 00:09:21,460 --> 00:09:18,680 about 92 ok then because Colonel Hall 209 00:09:25,930 --> 00:09:21,470 had just retired and he had just retired 210 00:09:30,940 --> 00:09:25,940 from active duty and and that was the 211 00:09:32,890 --> 00:09:30,950 first one he public appeared on ok but 212 00:09:36,700 --> 00:09:32,900 you had done some other things before 213 00:09:39,100 --> 00:09:36,710 that is why yourself or I mean back then 214 00:09:41,980 --> 00:09:39,110 I mean there wasn't like there is today 215 00:09:45,370 --> 00:09:41,990 where you've got 20 different networks 216 00:09:47,230 --> 00:09:45,380 covering UFOs and stuff um and somebody 217 00:09:49,540 --> 00:09:47,240 could prove me wrong maybe but because 218 00:09:51,130 --> 00:09:49,550 you know I'm not trying to be like some 219 00:09:53,090 --> 00:09:51,140 people and say well I've done so many I 220 00:09:54,860 --> 00:09:53,100 can't remember every detail but 221 00:09:56,900 --> 00:09:54,870 I don't think I'd done anything like 222 00:09:59,780 --> 00:09:56,910 that prior I think that was really the 223 00:10:01,190 --> 00:09:59,790 first one I had done and I think matter 224 00:10:04,160 --> 00:10:01,200 of fact I was the first one that really 225 00:10:06,620 --> 00:10:04,170 had been done on the incident itself and 226 00:10:08,870 --> 00:10:06,630 what I mean at a national level for me 227 00:10:11,390 --> 00:10:08,880 in a little video cut or something done 228 00:10:13,460 --> 00:10:11,400 prior but again you got to go back to 229 00:10:15,530 --> 00:10:13,470 the time frame TV was a lot different 230 00:10:17,420 --> 00:10:15,540 back then so that was about the only 231 00:10:19,550 --> 00:10:17,430 game in town I think there was a show on 232 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:19,560 Fox called sightings I don't know if 233 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:20,970 they ever touched on this case yeah 234 00:10:25,850 --> 00:10:23,610 actually they sightings touched on it 235 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:25,860 after unsolved mysteries did I was on 236 00:10:30,290 --> 00:10:28,290 that one too yes okay okay yeah they 237 00:10:31,820 --> 00:10:30,300 were they were about the only games in 238 00:10:34,310 --> 00:10:31,830 town really and then that the 239 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:34,320 basic-cable expanded and you did have a 240 00:10:38,690 --> 00:10:36,210 few more shows on basic cable like 241 00:10:41,420 --> 00:10:38,700 Discovery type channels it shows like 242 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:41,430 that but yeah those were those we're in 243 00:10:44,660 --> 00:10:43,050 a lot of ways that sort of the dark ages 244 00:10:46,130 --> 00:10:44,670 as far as getting this kind of 245 00:10:47,990 --> 00:10:46,140 information out now you had mentioned 246 00:10:50,060 --> 00:10:48,000 that going through a lot of different 247 00:10:51,530 --> 00:10:50,070 statements that that were pulled out by 248 00:10:53,570 --> 00:10:51,540 your Colonel halt when you were there 249 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:53,580 one of the things that I got from 250 00:11:00,800 --> 00:10:57,210 talking to you is there were a lot more 251 00:11:04,220 --> 00:11:00,810 hands-on you know upfront witnesses to 252 00:11:08,420 --> 00:11:04,230 these multiple incidents over two or 253 00:11:10,070 --> 00:11:08,430 three days if I recall correctly you you 254 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:10,080 said you weren't even sure exactly how 255 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:12,810 many but if I remember correctly you had 256 00:11:18,650 --> 00:11:15,930 estimated at least 60 maybe 70 actual 257 00:11:22,090 --> 00:11:18,660 witnesses on the ground through this 258 00:11:25,070 --> 00:11:22,100 through this incident well I mean okay 259 00:11:26,780 --> 00:11:25,080 I'm not sure if I've ever put a detail 260 00:11:29,420 --> 00:11:26,790 to count out I think other people have 261 00:11:31,550 --> 00:11:29,430 but you have to understand they every 262 00:11:33,380 --> 00:11:31,560 night the incident took place there was 263 00:11:35,780 --> 00:11:33,390 a security flight on duty and there was 264 00:11:38,830 --> 00:11:35,790 law enforcement flight on duty and all 265 00:11:41,150 --> 00:11:38,840 this stuff on went over the net so 266 00:11:43,580 --> 00:11:41,160 whatever the amount of people each night 267 00:11:45,290 --> 00:11:43,590 were are working would have been 268 00:11:48,680 --> 00:11:45,300 involved and it would probably have been 269 00:11:50,660 --> 00:11:48,690 in the 40 50 60 people range plus you 270 00:11:52,370 --> 00:11:50,670 had other agencies that had access to 271 00:11:54,620 --> 00:11:52,380 our radios that could listen the command 272 00:11:56,300 --> 00:11:54,630 post was listening so there was quite a 273 00:11:59,180 --> 00:11:56,310 few people that would have known about 274 00:12:01,100 --> 00:11:59,190 something taking place yeah you know 275 00:12:04,100 --> 00:12:01,110 during as the events took place and you 276 00:12:06,410 --> 00:12:04,110 had three all three night flights the 277 00:12:09,470 --> 00:12:06,420 different times involved so 278 00:12:10,970 --> 00:12:09,480 again you'd have each flight and and I 279 00:12:12,379 --> 00:12:10,980 can't remember exactly the number of 280 00:12:14,269 --> 00:12:12,389 security guys have worked every night 281 00:12:16,610 --> 00:12:14,279 but law enforcement was about twelve of 282 00:12:18,290 --> 00:12:16,620 us so again there's probably think there 283 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:18,300 was at least fifty security so on a 284 00:12:22,699 --> 00:12:20,970 nightly basis there was at least sixty 285 00:12:25,069 --> 00:12:22,709 and on the one night the Colonel Hall 286 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:25,079 tonight you had two flights overlap so 287 00:12:28,639 --> 00:12:26,850 that point you could have had over a 288 00:12:30,139 --> 00:12:28,649 hundred people that were you know it 289 00:12:32,180 --> 00:12:30,149 hurt we're listening or knew something 290 00:12:34,129 --> 00:12:32,190 was taking place God and that somehow 291 00:12:36,680 --> 00:12:34,139 the local cops got hold of this as well 292 00:12:40,490 --> 00:12:36,690 you were talking about police logs how 293 00:12:42,829 --> 00:12:40,500 would that have happened we the first 294 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:42,839 night we called them if you start see 295 00:12:48,860 --> 00:12:44,850 that's the problem with and and I'm 296 00:12:51,620 --> 00:12:48,870 gonna I'm gonna bag on ufology they 297 00:12:54,199 --> 00:12:51,630 don't whatever people on both sides the 298 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:54,209 skeptics ordered the bunkers and in the 299 00:12:58,519 --> 00:12:56,130 other side of it all they want to look 300 00:13:00,590 --> 00:12:58,529 for is a little piece of meat on the big 301 00:13:02,269 --> 00:13:00,600 bone about what once they'll support 302 00:13:03,439 --> 00:13:02,279 what they want to believe they don't 303 00:13:08,449 --> 00:13:03,449 really want to look at the big picture 304 00:13:11,329 --> 00:13:08,459 and on the the fact of the matter is 305 00:13:13,490 --> 00:13:11,339 that we went out there and what what 306 00:13:17,030 --> 00:13:13,500 what's crucial to this in the first 307 00:13:18,530 --> 00:13:17,040 place and the there's some de bunkers 308 00:13:19,939 --> 00:13:18,540 that try to get people involved in this 309 00:13:22,449 --> 00:13:19,949 and they brought our shift commander on 310 00:13:25,189 --> 00:13:22,459 and what happened was he said well um 311 00:13:27,319 --> 00:13:25,199 you know nothing really happened and it 312 00:13:29,780 --> 00:13:27,329 was like whoa okay well it's us the 313 00:13:31,759 --> 00:13:29,790 first question lieutenant um who he 314 00:13:33,740 --> 00:13:31,769 retired I think as a colonel anyway I 315 00:13:35,180 --> 00:13:33,750 says why did we go out there and he 316 00:13:37,639 --> 00:13:35,190 wouldn't answer it the reason why we 317 00:13:39,170 --> 00:13:37,649 went out there was because we picked up 318 00:13:41,660 --> 00:13:39,180 something strength we saw something 319 00:13:44,540 --> 00:13:41,670 strange outside our perimeter fence and 320 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:44,550 in reality that isn't our problem unless 321 00:13:48,980 --> 00:13:46,170 it's a direct threat like we can 322 00:13:51,470 --> 00:13:48,990 identify Russia shoulders soldiers or 323 00:13:53,689 --> 00:13:51,480 you know some kind of group or something 324 00:13:56,389 --> 00:13:53,699 trying to charge the base we just saw 325 00:13:59,750 --> 00:13:56,399 some strange lights and we reported it 326 00:14:01,040 --> 00:13:59,760 okay and what happened was they started 327 00:14:04,340 --> 00:14:01,050 doing some checking 328 00:14:06,710 --> 00:14:04,350 in CS c and c SC cocked our radar rapcon 329 00:14:08,660 --> 00:14:06,720 which is part of our radar system and 330 00:14:10,759 --> 00:14:08,670 and and the call started being made to 331 00:14:13,100 --> 00:14:10,769 the british different british agents 332 00:14:15,650 --> 00:14:13,110 different radar facilities military and 333 00:14:17,360 --> 00:14:15,660 civilian and there was a confirmation 334 00:14:19,699 --> 00:14:17,370 that on radar something was over the 335 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:19,709 area and disappeared so based on what we 336 00:14:23,180 --> 00:14:20,250 were seeing 337 00:14:24,860 --> 00:14:23,190 and what was what was a seen on radar 338 00:14:27,830 --> 00:14:24,870 they thought something may have went 339 00:14:30,110 --> 00:14:27,840 down so we were the closest to respond 340 00:14:31,910 --> 00:14:30,120 to try to start to figure out what was 341 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:31,920 going on but at the same time we also 342 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:34,050 contacted the local authorities to 343 00:14:38,540 --> 00:14:35,490 include the British police and fire 344 00:14:40,850 --> 00:14:38,550 department who also responded right so 345 00:14:42,980 --> 00:14:40,860 that's how they got brought into this it 346 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:42,990 was off base okay and that's something 347 00:14:47,180 --> 00:14:44,730 that people don't want to take into 348 00:14:51,050 --> 00:14:47,190 account a lot of times we want outside 349 00:14:54,140 --> 00:14:51,060 our perimeter into a into you know a 350 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:54,150 foreign country a property to 351 00:14:58,160 --> 00:14:55,730 investigate a possible downed aircraft 352 00:14:58,900 --> 00:14:58,170 okay yeah basically outside your 353 00:15:01,400 --> 00:14:58,910 jurisdiction 354 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:01,410 well yeah it's called reciprocal 355 00:15:05,900 --> 00:15:03,570 jurisdiction we can actually assist just 356 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:05,910 like they assisted us sometimes but but 357 00:15:10,220 --> 00:15:08,130 yes we were we were doing we were 358 00:15:12,230 --> 00:15:10,230 looking into something that was taking 359 00:15:14,900 --> 00:15:12,240 place off base for the British police 360 00:15:18,290 --> 00:15:14,910 until they could get there got it and 361 00:15:20,300 --> 00:15:18,300 did they get there and are there as far 362 00:15:22,580 --> 00:15:20,310 as I know there aren't any witnesses on 363 00:15:24,500 --> 00:15:22,590 the civilian side about this case not 364 00:15:26,510 --> 00:15:24,510 that I'm aware of anyway well no there's 365 00:15:28,730 --> 00:15:26,520 witnesses there's all kinds of witnesses 366 00:15:30,590 --> 00:15:28,740 that they found that saw strange things 367 00:15:33,140 --> 00:15:30,600 going on over that three night period 368 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:33,150 oh the British police did get there they 369 00:15:36,140 --> 00:15:34,770 did arrive I guess before while we were 370 00:15:40,130 --> 00:15:36,150 stopped in the forest the first night 371 00:15:41,930 --> 00:15:40,140 and basically what what I've been able 372 00:15:45,020 --> 00:15:41,940 to look at was they showed up they 373 00:15:47,060 --> 00:15:45,030 didn't see anything and and by that time 374 00:15:48,950 --> 00:15:47,070 it was all over anyway by the time they 375 00:15:52,370 --> 00:15:48,960 got there because people understand the 376 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:52,380 British police were like um were spread 377 00:15:56,510 --> 00:15:54,690 way out especially at night and in what 378 00:15:58,220 --> 00:15:56,520 one of the things that was funny was on 379 00:16:00,230 --> 00:15:58,230 the third night there was a British 380 00:16:03,260 --> 00:16:00,240 police they used to stop up at our law 381 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:03,270 enforcement desks and they were actually 382 00:16:06,980 --> 00:16:05,010 up there as the event started happened 383 00:16:09,110 --> 00:16:06,990 with Colonel Hall and he was gonna 384 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:09,120 respond out there right away supposedly 385 00:16:14,300 --> 00:16:11,730 but then a call came thirty miles or so 386 00:16:16,580 --> 00:16:14,310 a long distance away opposite of where 387 00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:16,590 we he was where we were for a post 388 00:16:20,630 --> 00:16:18,480 office break-in or something so 389 00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:20,640 allegedly he took off and left for that 390 00:16:24,380 --> 00:16:22,320 and didn't even go out to see what we 391 00:16:26,150 --> 00:16:24,390 were doing which I always found a little 392 00:16:28,910 --> 00:16:26,160 strange was here we have an event taking 393 00:16:30,860 --> 00:16:28,920 place off base in the forest and you 394 00:16:32,420 --> 00:16:30,870 would think they would want to tell what 395 00:16:34,100 --> 00:16:32,430 the heck was going on so 396 00:16:36,860 --> 00:16:34,110 I don't know if that was just used as a 397 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:36,870 cover to keep from him having to emit he 398 00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:38,490 actually went out there saw something 399 00:16:41,450 --> 00:16:40,320 because there were reports from people 400 00:16:42,950 --> 00:16:41,460 that were out there that night the 401 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:42,960 breeze police were out there and some of 402 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:44,250 them were even taking pictures of what 403 00:16:50,420 --> 00:16:47,970 was going on okay okay and that's just 404 00:16:52,970 --> 00:16:50,430 you have a pretty strong idea that that 405 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:52,980 is more likely how the story really got 406 00:16:58,699 --> 00:16:55,770 out a lot of it came through just the 407 00:17:00,590 --> 00:16:58,709 local cops local witnesses that type of 408 00:17:03,050 --> 00:17:00,600 thing and then no the story actually 409 00:17:04,939 --> 00:17:03,060 broke and this is another factor most 410 00:17:08,030 --> 00:17:04,949 people aren't aware of the story 411 00:17:10,100 --> 00:17:08,040 actually got leaked out the following I 412 00:17:13,010 --> 00:17:10,110 think it was like well it happened I 413 00:17:15,410 --> 00:17:13,020 think the last event that that I'm aware 414 00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:15,420 of may have taken ended on the morning 415 00:17:19,069 --> 00:17:17,370 of the 29th there may have been some 416 00:17:21,500 --> 00:17:19,079 stuff that took place on Sunday night 417 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:21,510 the 28th I believe going into the 418 00:17:27,049 --> 00:17:23,850 morning the 29th well at a New Year's 419 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:27,059 Eve party one of the one a cop that was 420 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:28,890 in security police squadron he was a 421 00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:31,050 back-office guy working for the squadron 422 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:34,320 commander who was friends with the one 423 00:17:39,049 --> 00:17:35,760 of the women that got involved in the 424 00:17:41,390 --> 00:17:39,059 initial investigation what we told her 425 00:17:42,890 --> 00:17:41,400 because she was involved in there MUFON 426 00:17:45,140 --> 00:17:42,900 type of thing over there everything else 427 00:17:46,910 --> 00:17:45,150 in a UFO that took place outside the 428 00:17:48,230 --> 00:17:46,920 gate over three years or nights or 429 00:17:50,419 --> 00:17:48,240 whatever I don't know exactly I'd have 430 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:50,429 to go back and read their book but did 431 00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:52,650 stuff had taken place with the United 432 00:17:57,860 --> 00:17:55,200 States Air Force and UFOs so he leaked 433 00:17:59,660 --> 00:17:57,870 it to her and then she started she 434 00:18:01,760 --> 00:17:59,670 started calling her friends and letting 435 00:18:04,070 --> 00:18:01,770 them know what went on and they started 436 00:18:06,590 --> 00:18:04,080 an investigation so the week actually 437 00:18:09,620 --> 00:18:06,600 came from an Air Force person who was a 438 00:18:12,650 --> 00:18:09,630 cop that told some people that were that 439 00:18:14,950 --> 00:18:12,660 were interested in investigating UFOs in 440 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:14,960 the United Kingdom there you go okay 441 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:19,410 that's interesting and you are you still 442 00:18:22,130 --> 00:18:20,730 don't have all your quiet even though 443 00:18:24,230 --> 00:18:22,140 you were there and now went through it 444 00:18:28,340 --> 00:18:24,240 all all these years ago you still have 445 00:18:31,190 --> 00:18:28,350 some questions about this case um well I 446 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:31,200 mean try to help me out here what do you 447 00:18:36,169 --> 00:18:33,690 mean by what questions as far as in what 448 00:18:37,669 --> 00:18:36,179 well I've seen that you've recently 449 00:18:39,019 --> 00:18:37,679 yeah or you'd mentioned you'd recently 450 00:18:40,570 --> 00:18:39,029 been banned from asking any more 451 00:18:46,249 --> 00:18:40,580 questions of the emod 452 00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:46,259 what okay yeah listening audience this 453 00:18:51,169 --> 00:18:48,960 just what yeah any reason this is a 454 00:18:53,180 --> 00:18:51,179 pretty recent with the last few weeks is 455 00:18:56,659 --> 00:18:53,190 that what what no no no I was banned 456 00:18:58,220 --> 00:18:56,669 back in 2014 actually oh okay it may 457 00:19:02,690 --> 00:18:58,230 have been misconstrued what happened was 458 00:19:04,489 --> 00:19:02,700 that this case has taken a huge it's 459 00:19:06,649 --> 00:19:04,499 really widened way out in a lot of 460 00:19:09,889 --> 00:19:06,659 different ways and one of the things 461 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:09,899 that helped me get my settlement from 462 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:11,850 the government on injuries that happened 463 00:19:17,570 --> 00:19:15,450 during the event was that I was told to 464 00:19:19,879 --> 00:19:17,580 look at released by the British 465 00:19:23,450 --> 00:19:19,889 government and that particular release 466 00:19:26,989 --> 00:19:23,460 is called project condign okay and so I 467 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:26,999 was shown where to look for it I went to 468 00:19:32,659 --> 00:19:30,450 the site and it's I think it's like 400 469 00:19:36,139 --> 00:19:32,669 pages okay and it's a pretty detailed 470 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:36,149 report and I went ahead and downloaded 471 00:19:41,629 --> 00:19:39,090 it and printed it out and I started 472 00:19:43,909 --> 00:19:41,639 reading it and as I was reading the 473 00:19:45,649 --> 00:19:43,919 report I could see a lot of things that 474 00:19:47,239 --> 00:19:45,659 they were talking about matched up to 475 00:19:49,669 --> 00:19:47,249 what I remember seeing and what was 476 00:19:53,149 --> 00:19:49,679 going on as far as the phenomenon itself 477 00:19:55,820 --> 00:19:53,159 and then I got to a section that in this 478 00:19:58,789 --> 00:19:55,830 report they said that the people that 479 00:20:00,529 --> 00:19:58,799 were working that made the people 480 00:20:04,190 --> 00:20:00,539 involved in Ron Smith so that may have 481 00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:04,200 been exposed to UAP higher than 482 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:06,809 background level of you AP radiation so 483 00:20:11,239 --> 00:20:08,970 right in his project condign report that 484 00:20:13,759 --> 00:20:11,249 was being done about you upload to a 485 00:20:15,019 --> 00:20:13,769 piece and what they were and you know 486 00:20:18,889 --> 00:20:15,029 what to do with it 487 00:20:23,029 --> 00:20:18,899 Ben waters was in it and I was like holy 488 00:20:26,269 --> 00:20:23,039 crap you know right so I started digging 489 00:20:31,759 --> 00:20:26,279 deeper into that on top of I got sick 490 00:20:33,289 --> 00:20:31,769 after I came over in 10 and I had some 491 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:33,299 medical issues and started fighting the 492 00:20:36,769 --> 00:20:35,369 government on all of it but I started 493 00:20:39,499 --> 00:20:36,779 sending for you off to the British 494 00:20:43,070 --> 00:20:39,509 government and what I was doing was I 495 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:43,080 was taking Conn dying and asking 496 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:44,970 questions about stuff that was redacted 497 00:20:48,570 --> 00:20:47,490 that which which a lot of people I think 498 00:20:50,730 --> 00:20:48,580 I don't know 499 00:20:53,130 --> 00:20:50,740 how versed your audience is in general 500 00:20:55,289 --> 00:20:53,140 but what people don't understand is the 501 00:20:57,149 --> 00:20:55,299 government likes to do this well here's 502 00:20:58,769 --> 00:20:57,159 a document or here's the report there's 503 00:21:00,630 --> 00:20:58,779 nothing to see here there's no smoking 504 00:21:02,460 --> 00:21:00,640 gun so don't worry about it ufos aren't 505 00:21:04,169 --> 00:21:02,470 real or there's nothing to them that's 506 00:21:06,299 --> 00:21:04,179 not defense significance so move along 507 00:21:07,740 --> 00:21:06,309 people but then what 508 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:07,750 doesn't get reported by the mainstream 509 00:21:11,639 --> 00:21:10,210 press or people that analyze that 510 00:21:14,009 --> 00:21:11,649 especially to the bunkers or the 511 00:21:17,130 --> 00:21:14,019 skeptics is well why is so much of this 512 00:21:19,399 --> 00:21:17,140 redacted then there's so much of these 513 00:21:22,889 --> 00:21:19,409 big reports and stuff that are redacted 514 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:22,899 so started asking questions about the 515 00:21:28,919 --> 00:21:25,570 redactions about certain pieces and 516 00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:28,929 hints that are inside this report and 517 00:21:33,629 --> 00:21:31,210 started getting very interesting answers 518 00:21:37,470 --> 00:21:33,639 to include the fact that they admitted 519 00:21:40,379 --> 00:21:37,480 they were holding back 18 more files and 520 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:40,389 a mic what wait a minute your own 521 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:42,250 website says you've released everything 522 00:21:48,450 --> 00:21:45,490 what's the deal and that got ugly and 523 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:48,460 but what it led to was a series of 524 00:21:54,810 --> 00:21:51,490 questions that led to them admitting to 525 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:54,820 me that they actually were studying the 526 00:21:59,639 --> 00:21:57,730 phenomenon were developing and had 527 00:22:02,730 --> 00:21:59,649 developed some technology off this 528 00:22:06,779 --> 00:22:02,740 phenomenon and I got a document that was 529 00:22:08,610 --> 00:22:06,789 highly redacted from them showing that 530 00:22:10,769 --> 00:22:08,620 what they were working on and what they 531 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:10,779 learned and most of the agencies were 532 00:22:14,759 --> 00:22:12,730 blacked out but when you went through 533 00:22:18,029 --> 00:22:14,769 this document there were two things that 534 00:22:20,070 --> 00:22:18,039 stood out BAE Systems was involved and 535 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:20,080 that's partly what they used to redact 536 00:22:25,100 --> 00:22:22,330 this was it was you know commercially 537 00:22:27,870 --> 00:22:25,110 based so they had patents and stuff but 538 00:22:30,570 --> 00:22:27,880 yeah BAE is our what that British 539 00:22:32,340 --> 00:22:30,580 Aerospace well it's British Aerospace it 540 00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:32,350 used to be Marconi when our incident 541 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:36,000 took place okay that but there was this 542 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:39,850 tank company in Ohio that was also 543 00:22:45,570 --> 00:22:42,330 exposed a little bit in this okay but 544 00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:45,580 ultimately i falled up and i got the 545 00:22:50,100 --> 00:22:47,289 kitchen sink thrown at me on this 546 00:22:51,779 --> 00:22:50,110 document about how they can't discuss 547 00:22:53,340 --> 00:22:51,789 this because it's national defense they 548 00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:53,350 can't discuss this there's like four or 549 00:23:00,200 --> 00:22:55,600 five exemptions they used and what I've 550 00:23:02,190 --> 00:23:00,210 talked to in most most rounds is is that 551 00:23:04,710 --> 00:23:02,200 very few times do you ever 552 00:23:05,610 --> 00:23:04,720 see this okay now remember and people 553 00:23:09,030 --> 00:23:05,620 need to understand this 554 00:23:11,910 --> 00:23:09,040 I wasn't approaching this as a UFO 555 00:23:14,370 --> 00:23:11,920 question I was approaching this as based 556 00:23:16,890 --> 00:23:14,380 on an official government report we have 557 00:23:19,170 --> 00:23:16,900 we have different things that are in it 558 00:23:21,300 --> 00:23:19,180 that lead to these conclusions or 559 00:23:22,890 --> 00:23:21,310 possible conclusions where did you get 560 00:23:24,780 --> 00:23:22,900 these how did you come to these 561 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:24,790 conclusions and what documents and stuff 562 00:23:31,710 --> 00:23:27,250 do you have and stuff so that's how I 563 00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:31,720 got around the typical UFO FOIA request 564 00:23:35,940 --> 00:23:33,910 I didn't ask about UFOs I was asking 565 00:23:39,290 --> 00:23:35,950 about stuff that had been identified as 566 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:39,300 technology and stuff okay okay so so I 567 00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:42,810 follow up with another question okay and 568 00:23:47,910 --> 00:23:46,000 that's when they section and people eyes 569 00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,920 get confused some British people said 570 00:23:53,150 --> 00:23:49,600 well they can't section an American 571 00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:53,160 citizen yeah they can they section me 572 00:24:01,230 --> 00:23:57,520 from asking any more questions about the 573 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:01,240 mo d files or the questions I was going 574 00:24:06,420 --> 00:24:03,730 along the lines of with condign and 575 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:06,430 Technology they told me there was no 576 00:24:12,420 --> 00:24:08,850 longer answer any of my questions on 577 00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:12,430 these you know particular things until a 578 00:24:18,450 --> 00:24:16,720 the arm the 18 files and all the 579 00:24:22,260 --> 00:24:18,460 documents in them were released well 580 00:24:25,050 --> 00:24:22,270 that was in 2014 now according to their 581 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:25,060 own FOIA responses to me those files 582 00:24:29,940 --> 00:24:27,010 were supposed to been released no later 583 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:29,950 than 14 then they delayed him to 15 then 584 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:33,010 they deleted the 16 and now we're in the 585 00:24:38,190 --> 00:24:35,290 summer of 18 and they released 15 of the 586 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:38,200 18 but three of those files the most 587 00:24:43,140 --> 00:24:40,810 important document files as far as 588 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:43,150 policies and everything else are still 589 00:24:48,540 --> 00:24:45,730 being held back and the latest excuses 590 00:24:50,460 --> 00:24:48,550 is that and I just learned this myself 591 00:24:52,530 --> 00:24:50,470 recently because there was some another 592 00:24:54,990 --> 00:24:52,540 British researcher that some people 593 00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:55,000 don't like a lot and I didn't wasn't a 594 00:24:59,580 --> 00:24:57,610 big fan of his on certain things but I 595 00:25:01,950 --> 00:24:59,590 got I got I got into a conversation with 596 00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:01,960 him and he showed me a bunch of you know 597 00:25:05,850 --> 00:25:03,760 interaction he had with the mo D and he 598 00:25:07,860 --> 00:25:05,860 was doing a lot of for himself and he 599 00:25:10,350 --> 00:25:07,870 had actually figured out there was more 600 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:10,360 files before I even did on the 18th 601 00:25:14,710 --> 00:25:12,610 and this is David Clark you mean yes 602 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:14,720 this is dr. David Clark right and 603 00:25:19,659 --> 00:25:17,330 he actually was and one of the things I 604 00:25:21,909 --> 00:25:19,669 begged on him about for years was wait a 605 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:21,919 minute David you went forth with with 606 00:25:24,549 --> 00:25:23,570 the British government and said hey this 607 00:25:26,620 --> 00:25:24,559 is all they have 608 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:26,630 well David showed me the interactions 609 00:25:30,100 --> 00:25:28,250 with the mo Dee and what went on he's 610 00:25:32,169 --> 00:25:30,110 not he didn't hide things and like to 611 00:25:35,020 --> 00:25:32,179 hide things like Nick Pope does they 612 00:25:39,159 --> 00:25:35,030 actually why he was picked to do the 613 00:25:42,190 --> 00:25:39,169 last release was he had him by by there 614 00:25:43,779 --> 00:25:42,200 by you know you know maybe high right he 615 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:43,789 had them that they were holding back 616 00:25:48,610 --> 00:25:46,010 certain things so what they did was they 617 00:25:51,460 --> 00:25:48,620 promised that he could redo this release 618 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:51,470 and that they would release all the 619 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:53,570 files so he went along with it he went 620 00:25:58,720 --> 00:25:56,210 on TV and said hey this is it this is it 621 00:26:01,510 --> 00:25:58,730 no more to see as far as this is all 622 00:26:03,549 --> 00:26:01,520 they've got well afterwards it became 623 00:26:06,610 --> 00:26:03,559 clear they were holding back files and 624 00:26:09,549 --> 00:26:06,620 he knew existed so they lied to him and 625 00:26:11,409 --> 00:26:09,559 then he from that point going forward to 626 00:26:13,210 --> 00:26:11,419 when we interviewed him and he's still 627 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:13,220 doing this is fighting with them on 628 00:26:17,350 --> 00:26:15,770 these files and other files that haven't 629 00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:17,360 been identified yet that are still being 630 00:26:21,850 --> 00:26:20,000 held back okay because what he does is 631 00:26:23,409 --> 00:26:21,860 he sifts through all these documents and 632 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:23,419 that's how he was the one that found 633 00:26:27,370 --> 00:26:25,730 condign in the first place he says 634 00:26:29,169 --> 00:26:27,380 through documents looking for certain 635 00:26:32,890 --> 00:26:29,179 things that lead to something else they 636 00:26:35,799 --> 00:26:32,900 don't like people like that okay so he 637 00:26:37,779 --> 00:26:35,809 you know got out a lot of this 638 00:26:40,360 --> 00:26:37,789 information is continuing to fight them 639 00:26:42,700 --> 00:26:40,370 on this and condign and everything else 640 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:42,710 and what was interesting with dr. Clark 641 00:26:48,490 --> 00:26:46,490 that I never really had understood 642 00:26:50,110 --> 00:26:48,500 before or he has changed his tune a 643 00:26:53,620 --> 00:26:50,120 little bit and what I mean by that is 644 00:26:55,419 --> 00:26:53,630 this we may not agree and he even says 645 00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:55,429 this they throw all these documents out 646 00:26:59,620 --> 00:26:58,010 and they let people try to decide you've 647 00:27:01,390 --> 00:26:59,630 got that the bunkers of skeptics on one 648 00:27:03,399 --> 00:27:01,400 side forming their own opinion you've 649 00:27:05,230 --> 00:27:03,409 got that believers on the other but you 650 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:05,240 don't have all the data first of all 651 00:27:09,460 --> 00:27:07,250 they hold stuff back and then they 652 00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:09,470 redact a lot of stuff also all right so 653 00:27:13,060 --> 00:27:11,360 you just you just see what you want to 654 00:27:17,260 --> 00:27:13,070 see and say what you want to say okay 655 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:17,270 but he's not so sure exactly what this 656 00:27:22,270 --> 00:27:19,490 all means himself and what I mean by 657 00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:22,280 that is it's not so much is it UFOs or 658 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:23,600 what are you folks really or what's 659 00:27:27,390 --> 00:27:25,850 going on but he clearly believes now 660 00:27:29,670 --> 00:27:27,400 that there is a cover-up 661 00:27:31,350 --> 00:27:29,680 they're covering hiding something okay 662 00:27:32,850 --> 00:27:31,360 what it is for sure we don't know 663 00:27:35,610 --> 00:27:32,860 because they're not giving us all the 664 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:35,620 information to decipher what's going on 665 00:27:41,700 --> 00:27:38,530 and that leads to conspiracy people 666 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:41,710 saying well they're hiding UFOs maybe or 667 00:27:46,590 --> 00:27:44,170 maybe they're hiding the technology that 668 00:27:48,540 --> 00:27:46,600 they've developed and is it your fault 669 00:27:50,490 --> 00:27:48,550 based not sure but if you look at 670 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:50,500 condign in the report and different 671 00:27:55,050 --> 00:27:53,170 things in it it does seem that there 672 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:55,060 really were interested in this UAP 673 00:28:00,090 --> 00:27:57,490 whatever it really is i mean they made 674 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:00,100 some assumptions or he the guy did say 675 00:28:04,290 --> 00:28:02,410 what he thought it was it was really you 676 00:28:06,150 --> 00:28:04,300 know and what it was capable of doing 677 00:28:09,450 --> 00:28:06,160 and we definitely should study it more 678 00:28:11,730 --> 00:28:09,460 so it's clear that they'd taken a you a 679 00:28:14,550 --> 00:28:11,740 well used to be UFO and now they called 680 00:28:15,630 --> 00:28:14,560 it a UAP and identified it and they're 681 00:28:18,450 --> 00:28:15,640 studying it and they're trying to 682 00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:18,460 weaponize it yeah I remember if I 683 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:20,710 remember correctly with Clark he came 684 00:28:24,540 --> 00:28:22,210 from a background or comes from a 685 00:28:28,290 --> 00:28:24,550 background of studying a lot of folklore 686 00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:28,300 and was looking at the UFO phenomena 687 00:28:33,630 --> 00:28:31,600 sort of through that that viewpoint was 688 00:28:36,330 --> 00:28:33,640 generally a little bit on the skeptical 689 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:36,340 side but he's kind of moved at least 690 00:28:39,470 --> 00:28:37,930 that moved a little bit towards them 691 00:28:43,170 --> 00:28:39,480 being a little bit more open and 692 00:28:45,060 --> 00:28:43,180 thinking that there is at least that 693 00:28:47,490 --> 00:28:45,070 some kind of a cover-up going on well 694 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:47,500 what what what what he's done is the 695 00:28:52,350 --> 00:28:50,290 best I can describe him is is this he's 696 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:52,360 a guy that believes in open government 697 00:28:59,460 --> 00:28:56,530 okay okay and he is trying to hold the 698 00:29:01,230 --> 00:28:59,470 government to be an open and he does 699 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:01,240 FOIA are more than just your clothes and 700 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:03,370 stuff he does for you on a lot of 701 00:29:08,670 --> 00:29:06,130 different things but what he said on a 702 00:29:10,050 --> 00:29:08,680 radio show was that I get these 703 00:29:12,660 --> 00:29:10,060 documents released and I let people 704 00:29:16,620 --> 00:29:12,670 debate him now I want to go in to your 705 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:16,630 listeners on a short little quote on 706 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:20,650 from the document the the condign dark 707 00:29:25,500 --> 00:29:23,530 the unidentified aerial phenomena exists 708 00:29:28,260 --> 00:29:25,510 is indisputable credited with the 709 00:29:30,390 --> 00:29:28,270 ability to hover land takeoff accelerate 710 00:29:32,490 --> 00:29:30,400 to exceptional velocities and vanish 711 00:29:34,830 --> 00:29:32,500 they can reportedly alter their 712 00:29:37,260 --> 00:29:34,840 direction of flight suddenly and curly 713 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:37,270 can exhibit aerodynamic characteristics 714 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:39,490 well beyond those of any known aircraft 715 00:29:44,460 --> 00:29:40,930 or missile either man 716 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:44,470 unmanned okay so what what what's going 717 00:29:52,350 --> 00:29:50,050 on here is the the government a world 718 00:29:56,490 --> 00:29:52,360 government and mrs. Amit something 719 00:29:58,290 --> 00:29:56,500 exists and if you dig into the report 720 00:29:59,910 --> 00:29:58,300 further they even say it should be 721 00:30:03,050 --> 00:29:59,920 studied further and weapon 722 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:03,060 you know I for use of weapons okay so 723 00:30:08,790 --> 00:30:06,490 one of the things I believe you know and 724 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:08,800 I'm speaking myself personally and I get 725 00:30:12,990 --> 00:30:11,050 the the hints of this from Clark is is 726 00:30:15,930 --> 00:30:13,000 there is something out there 727 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:15,940 they're definitely studying it they're 728 00:30:20,130 --> 00:30:18,130 definitely looking at using it for 729 00:30:24,540 --> 00:30:20,140 weapons and they're covering some of 730 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:24,550 this up so exactly what is a UAV you 731 00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:26,290 know which used to be a UFO because in 732 00:30:32,100 --> 00:30:27,760 their own policy files they changed it 733 00:30:35,010 --> 00:30:32,110 to do in 2002 to you ApS and that UFOs 734 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:35,020 Hillary Clinton called it you ApS on 735 00:30:41,490 --> 00:30:38,110 national TV you know what I mean alright 736 00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:41,500 and and you've got to the stars now and 737 00:30:46,590 --> 00:30:44,110 and one of their the one of the bigger 738 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:46,600 names in it which most people probably 739 00:30:51,270 --> 00:30:49,570 have what they see it to the stars as 740 00:30:54,740 --> 00:30:51,280 Tom DeLonge a rock star running around 741 00:30:57,300 --> 00:30:54,750 making an ass of himself am i okay and 742 00:31:00,150 --> 00:30:57,310 then they had this panel and the other 743 00:31:02,670 --> 00:31:00,160 rule face right now is Alessandro but in 744 00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:02,680 reality one of the guys in this panelist 745 00:31:06,930 --> 00:31:05,200 is physicists his name's how put off and 746 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:06,940 he's been deep and good the government 747 00:31:12,270 --> 00:31:09,010 for years working on different projects 748 00:31:15,330 --> 00:31:12,280 okay but he talked about recently you 749 00:31:16,950 --> 00:31:15,340 ApS and how now just recently over the 750 00:31:18,750 --> 00:31:16,960 last few years some of this stuff is 751 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:18,760 being Declassified you can talk a little 752 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:20,890 bit about it without going to jail so 753 00:31:26,910 --> 00:31:24,730 there is something about a you ap now we 754 00:31:29,310 --> 00:31:26,920 can argue is that just the UFO then you 755 00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:29,320 ap was changed sofa voya and now they've 756 00:31:32,670 --> 00:31:30,940 changed these programs to different 757 00:31:34,890 --> 00:31:32,680 names they like to do that so boys are 758 00:31:37,590 --> 00:31:34,900 harder to get but there is something to 759 00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,600 what's going on and being seen and it's 760 00:31:41,940 --> 00:31:40,000 clearly the governments of the world 761 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:41,950 especially the military end of it 762 00:31:47,550 --> 00:31:44,530 want to militarize it and that's what 763 00:31:50,460 --> 00:31:47,560 this whole thing inside the mo D is is 764 00:31:51,220 --> 00:31:50,470 they're clearly they're clearly covering 765 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:51,230 up how there 766 00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:52,730 handling it and what they're doing with 767 00:32:00,130 --> 00:31:57,890 it as far as weaponization well you have 768 00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:00,140 well you talked about how put off and I 769 00:32:05,620 --> 00:32:02,809 know one of his colleagues is a guy 770 00:32:08,919 --> 00:32:05,630 named Eric Davis who you had on your 771 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:08,929 very own talk show the one that you host 772 00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:13,010 every Thursday rkg ra and I'm really 773 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:15,290 fascinated about that how you kind of 774 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:18,290 evolved from a first-person witness to a 775 00:32:23,110 --> 00:32:21,410 major case and becoming involved in that 776 00:32:26,020 --> 00:32:23,120 end of things and hosting your own 777 00:32:27,669 --> 00:32:26,030 interview show it becoming really a fine 778 00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:27,679 interviewer especially for people who 779 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:30,049 come from military background so when 780 00:32:33,970 --> 00:32:31,730 you have those kinds of guests on you've 781 00:32:36,100 --> 00:32:33,980 got questions that somebody like me or 782 00:32:38,110 --> 00:32:36,110 most interviewers wouldn't even think to 783 00:32:39,659 --> 00:32:38,120 ask and sometimes I don't even 784 00:32:42,730 --> 00:32:39,669 understand the questions or the answers 785 00:32:44,470 --> 00:32:42,740 but I get the sense that there's enough 786 00:32:45,909 --> 00:32:44,480 detail going on that if somebody was 787 00:32:48,039 --> 00:32:45,919 trying to sell you a bill of goods you'd 788 00:32:50,770 --> 00:32:48,049 sniff that out in pretty short order so 789 00:32:52,390 --> 00:32:50,780 if you can how I guess it's been what 790 00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:52,400 it's been what three or four years 791 00:32:56,169 --> 00:32:53,360 you've been doing the show down 792 00:32:57,909 --> 00:32:56,179 phenomenon radio live it would have been 793 00:33:00,520 --> 00:32:57,919 at the end of July it would have been 794 00:33:02,830 --> 00:33:00,530 three years that uh that I got involved 795 00:33:06,190 --> 00:33:02,840 with Kay GRA and started the radio show 796 00:33:08,380 --> 00:33:06,200 with Linda Moulton Howe yeah it's a 797 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:08,390 great show it really is and I get you 798 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:10,730 guys consistently booked really solid 799 00:33:15,549 --> 00:33:13,730 guests and do great interviews and you 800 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:15,559 and Linda kind of tag-team back and 801 00:33:19,690 --> 00:33:17,690 forth and that both get there some 802 00:33:23,370 --> 00:33:19,700 excellent questions in from different 803 00:33:26,950 --> 00:33:23,380 perspectives how did that come about and 804 00:33:29,140 --> 00:33:26,960 what got you interested in doing it we 805 00:33:31,390 --> 00:33:29,150 never answered we excited they've added 806 00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:31,400 all that come about well so I don't take 807 00:33:35,860 --> 00:33:33,440 20 minutes explain this basically what 808 00:33:39,010 --> 00:33:35,870 it came down to was I when I got sick 809 00:33:41,230 --> 00:33:39,020 first of all before 2010 the 30th 810 00:33:43,510 --> 00:33:41,240 anniversary I decided this is before I 811 00:33:45,549 --> 00:33:43,520 really got sick that maybe it was time 812 00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:45,559 it was 30 years maybe it was time we can 813 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:47,090 get some people together talk talking 814 00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:49,130 about it and maybe put a bigger dent 815 00:33:53,470 --> 00:33:51,919 into what took place and so I started 816 00:33:55,570 --> 00:33:53,480 reaching out to people working on this 817 00:33:57,909 --> 00:33:55,580 got Jim Penniston I started working 818 00:33:59,500 --> 00:33:57,919 together and behind the scenes a few 819 00:34:02,530 --> 00:33:59,510 other people got involved 820 00:34:05,170 --> 00:34:02,540 well after I came back from the 30th 821 00:34:08,530 --> 00:34:05,180 anniversary I got sick so that caused 822 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:08,540 me a lot of issues and we also agreed to 823 00:34:14,889 --> 00:34:12,770 do a book with Nick Pope and Jim 824 00:34:16,899 --> 00:34:14,899 Penniston tonight so we agreed to do a 825 00:34:18,100 --> 00:34:16,909 book and I was having health issues and 826 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:18,110 I was trying to dig and get more 827 00:34:23,020 --> 00:34:20,090 information so I did some radio shows 828 00:34:25,149 --> 00:34:23,030 and though the one network that was 829 00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:25,159 going on it was really heavily involved 830 00:34:30,369 --> 00:34:27,919 in you have UFO stuff and the paranormal 831 00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:30,379 stuff was KJ RA so they had several 832 00:34:35,530 --> 00:34:33,649 different hosts on that network that I 833 00:34:37,090 --> 00:34:35,540 did shows with and the producer was 834 00:34:39,850 --> 00:34:37,100 Ray's Hobbs who at the time was the 835 00:34:42,700 --> 00:34:39,860 owner of kg RA so racing I would talk on 836 00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:42,710 and off between the segments you know 837 00:34:46,540 --> 00:34:44,210 they're the breaks and everything and 838 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:46,550 then he we talked we'll start talking a 839 00:34:51,550 --> 00:34:49,490 little bit afterwards well prior to me 840 00:34:54,190 --> 00:34:51,560 getting my settlement and there was a 841 00:34:56,590 --> 00:34:54,200 full-court press going on with United 842 00:34:59,710 --> 00:34:56,600 States senators and you know and some 843 00:35:01,390 --> 00:34:59,720 other people um race approached me with 844 00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:01,400 why don't you do a radio show and I'm 845 00:35:06,070 --> 00:35:04,310 thinking why not because might as well 846 00:35:07,630 --> 00:35:06,080 because maybe I can start putting more 847 00:35:11,850 --> 00:35:07,640 pressure on the government and all this 848 00:35:13,930 --> 00:35:11,860 but the idea was to do it based off of 849 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:13,940 scientific stuff and different things 850 00:35:20,590 --> 00:35:17,290 that were going on within the UFO world 851 00:35:22,660 --> 00:35:20,600 that you know it wasn't just and I'm not 852 00:35:24,430 --> 00:35:22,670 bagging on experiences and people but we 853 00:35:26,740 --> 00:35:24,440 were just gonna not bring on Billy Bob 854 00:35:28,870 --> 00:35:26,750 and have Billy Bob talk about I saw you 855 00:35:30,490 --> 00:35:28,880 I follow in the forest you know what I 856 00:35:34,570 --> 00:35:30,500 mean type of thing we wanted to get into 857 00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:34,580 the technical end of it so so so we 858 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:37,370 agreed and then um I started coming up 859 00:35:41,230 --> 00:35:39,770 with the guest list and one of the first 860 00:35:43,330 --> 00:35:41,240 ones obviously I was gonna ask on was 861 00:35:45,340 --> 00:35:43,340 Linda because of the fact that we've 862 00:35:47,350 --> 00:35:45,350 worked together on things and she was in 863 00:35:49,330 --> 00:35:47,360 the same you know she's she does 864 00:35:50,890 --> 00:35:49,340 coast-to-coast reports scientific stuff 865 00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:50,900 and different things - well when I 866 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:52,490 talked to her about coming on she says 867 00:35:57,580 --> 00:35:54,770 wall can I join you in the show and I'm 868 00:35:59,470 --> 00:35:57,590 like okay that sounds good you know and 869 00:36:01,420 --> 00:35:59,480 you know darn well race love that 870 00:36:04,030 --> 00:36:01,430 because that just went from a 871 00:36:06,010 --> 00:36:04,040 little-known experiencer to one of the 872 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:06,020 the people in the field is well known 873 00:36:10,450 --> 00:36:08,210 across right across the world with 874 00:36:12,850 --> 00:36:10,460 earthfiles so that's how we started the 875 00:36:14,590 --> 00:36:12,860 show we we decided if we do it and we'd 876 00:36:16,230 --> 00:36:14,600 see how long we could keep it going and 877 00:36:18,690 --> 00:36:16,240 and we're 878 00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:18,700 were I'm not saying we're out of guests 879 00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:20,650 and ideas because we continue to 880 00:36:23,430 --> 00:36:22,960 continues to evolve because of to the 881 00:36:25,770 --> 00:36:23,440 stars 882 00:36:28,470 --> 00:36:25,780 and these people that are popping up but 883 00:36:30,420 --> 00:36:28,480 you know we try to do top shelf work and 884 00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:30,430 what I mean by that is the top shelf 885 00:36:34,350 --> 00:36:32,230 people that are involved in this as 886 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:34,360 close to we can get to them and because 887 00:36:37,590 --> 00:36:36,610 I would love to get help put off on and 888 00:36:39,870 --> 00:36:37,600 some of these other people and they're 889 00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:39,880 just not gonna do it but we've been able 890 00:36:44,820 --> 00:36:42,070 to get some of the people like a Kevin 891 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:44,830 day who was involved in the you know Tic 892 00:36:50,730 --> 00:36:46,810 Tac incident and some of these other 893 00:36:52,620 --> 00:36:50,740 people on and um our goal is just to get 894 00:36:54,810 --> 00:36:52,630 people to have a better understanding of 895 00:36:57,300 --> 00:36:54,820 what's going on you know that's really 896 00:36:59,160 --> 00:36:57,310 what it is and it's been interesting and 897 00:37:01,080 --> 00:36:59,170 I've actually learned some stuff myself 898 00:37:03,210 --> 00:37:01,090 along the way from some of these guests 899 00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:03,220 both on the air and off the air yep 900 00:37:07,290 --> 00:37:04,000 absolutely 901 00:37:09,870 --> 00:37:07,300 that's uh I've only been at it three 902 00:37:11,550 --> 00:37:09,880 months and not three years but that's 903 00:37:14,460 --> 00:37:11,560 definitely a key and a good reason to 904 00:37:16,650 --> 00:37:14,470 keep it going you guys have two hours to 905 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:16,660 fill that can be kind of tricky yeah how 906 00:37:19,980 --> 00:37:18,130 do you guys manage that you just figure 907 00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:19,990 well I'm gonna get an hour so I'll have 908 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:21,790 enough questions to fill an hour and one 909 00:37:26,010 --> 00:37:23,410 that can handle her end of things how 910 00:37:28,260 --> 00:37:26,020 how exactly does that work none of its 911 00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:28,270 scripted um we just simply pick out a 912 00:37:35,970 --> 00:37:32,650 guess usually Linda because this is her 913 00:37:38,370 --> 00:37:35,980 work not mine this is at my work arm as 914 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:38,380 far as you know my job does Linda does 915 00:37:42,930 --> 00:37:40,810 this for a living night time um Linda 916 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:42,940 will usually follow up talk him a little 917 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:45,010 bit on the phone sometimes not sometimes 918 00:37:50,310 --> 00:37:47,050 we don't even have the time they're busy 919 00:37:51,810 --> 00:37:50,320 she's busy but we we just basically get 920 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:51,820 a grasp for their knowledge and what's 921 00:37:56,340 --> 00:37:54,370 going on and then we just go on live and 922 00:37:58,830 --> 00:37:56,350 we just she usually ask some questions 923 00:38:00,810 --> 00:37:58,840 put together and I do have usually I do 924 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:00,820 a little research on the person if I 925 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:02,530 don't know them very well and have a 926 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:04,210 couple questions but I just play off of 927 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:06,010 what they're saying and I just try to 928 00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:06,970 make sense of it 929 00:38:11,850 --> 00:38:09,370 especially from a military end of it you 930 00:38:13,350 --> 00:38:11,860 know as far as my background was I had 931 00:38:15,390 --> 00:38:13,360 an investigations background and 932 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:15,400 everything else so I just tried to ask 933 00:38:19,830 --> 00:38:17,890 follow-up and and dig deeper and what 934 00:38:21,180 --> 00:38:19,840 they're saying and you know try to 935 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:21,190 figure out where they're going and what 936 00:38:25,020 --> 00:38:22,690 they're saying and how this will implies 937 00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:25,030 and stuff so we just we don't really 938 00:38:28,410 --> 00:38:26,950 script it we don't really have who's 939 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:28,420 gonna ask the most questions usually 940 00:38:32,010 --> 00:38:30,250 she'll do the lead-in question 941 00:38:34,140 --> 00:38:32,020 because she does all the initial work 942 00:38:38,370 --> 00:38:34,150 and the intro which she always does it's 943 00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:38,380 a very good intro every week so yeah 944 00:38:42,930 --> 00:38:41,050 I've I've always enjoyed the show 945 00:38:43,859 --> 00:38:42,940 obviously I you did you did have you 946 00:38:46,349 --> 00:38:43,869 were talking about some new people 947 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:46,359 coming out of the woodwork I know this 948 00:38:50,130 --> 00:38:48,010 past week I've had a chance to listen to 949 00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:50,140 it myself unfortunately I'll get to it 950 00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:51,910 but you had someone on who I had a 951 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:54,490 couple weeks back professor Knuth who'd 952 00:39:00,109 --> 00:38:57,010 written the the famous article it's been 953 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:00,119 passed around quite a bit you know a 954 00:39:04,140 --> 00:39:03,010 physicist up at SUNY Albany who's 955 00:39:05,820 --> 00:39:04,150 starting to talk a little bit more 956 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:05,830 openly and taking a little bit more 957 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:09,010 seriously the UFO subject I think get 958 00:39:12,750 --> 00:39:10,210 some more of those people are going to 959 00:39:13,490 --> 00:39:12,760 start creeping out a little bit here and 960 00:39:16,109 --> 00:39:13,500 there 961 00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:16,119 well when you say that we have a guy 962 00:39:19,230 --> 00:39:17,470 coming on in a couple of weeks it's 963 00:39:22,109 --> 00:39:19,240 another physicist it's done a lot of 964 00:39:23,700 --> 00:39:22,119 work inside of this I'm not gonna give 965 00:39:26,099 --> 00:39:23,710 the name out yet because the wind is 966 00:39:27,990 --> 00:39:26,109 still working but won't be announced in 967 00:39:32,490 --> 00:39:28,000 that but we've got another physicist 968 00:39:34,859 --> 00:39:32,500 coming on that's well versed in the the 969 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:34,869 field of you know abaca me drive and all 970 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:36,490 this other stuff and what's really 971 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:39,010 taking place with all this and that's 972 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:41,170 one of the things I'm fascinated by is 973 00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:44,530 the fact that you know in the 60s when I 974 00:39:49,140 --> 00:39:46,630 was born a lot of the stuff that was 975 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:49,150 science fiction is playing out today you 976 00:39:55,260 --> 00:39:52,450 know it's amazing where we got where we 977 00:39:58,050 --> 00:39:55,270 are and and and a lot of what was just 978 00:39:59,849 --> 00:39:58,060 viewed as science fiction in 60 70s and 979 00:40:01,740 --> 00:39:59,859 80s that's really happening in today's 980 00:40:05,370 --> 00:40:01,750 world well one thing that really baffles 981 00:40:07,950 --> 00:40:05,380 me is for a lot of years now scientists 982 00:40:10,410 --> 00:40:07,960 have been able to say I grew up watching 983 00:40:12,570 --> 00:40:10,420 Star Trek or I grew up reading science 984 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:12,580 fiction and that was sort of that what 985 00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:14,650 got me interested in this and there have 986 00:40:19,530 --> 00:40:16,570 been a lot actual love books so I think 987 00:40:21,540 --> 00:40:19,540 Lawrence Krauss I wrote a book about the 988 00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:21,550 science of Star Trek and so on where 989 00:40:27,810 --> 00:40:25,119 it's okay to use the science fiction as 990 00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:27,820 a driver to get people interested in or 991 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:30,460 talking about our future advancements in 992 00:40:36,180 --> 00:40:33,010 technology but somehow along the line at 993 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:36,190 least up to this point using UFOs to do 994 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:37,930 that to perform the same function and 995 00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:40,690 just hasn't clicked and has that created 996 00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:43,210 some problems that might be changing any 997 00:40:46,220 --> 00:40:44,250 thoughts on that 998 00:40:47,900 --> 00:40:46,230 well if you look at to the stars the 999 00:40:50,359 --> 00:40:47,910 first book we put out with science 1000 00:40:53,690 --> 00:40:50,369 fiction ok secret machines I think is 1001 00:40:58,160 --> 00:40:53,700 the title of it yeah um what I know is 1002 00:40:59,870 --> 00:40:58,170 this if you go science fiction if you 1003 00:41:02,930 --> 00:40:59,880 put it out science fiction it's a better 1004 00:41:06,109 --> 00:41:02,940 read than fiction you know nonfiction 1005 00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:06,119 because people don't question it they 1006 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:08,040 just go into it with an open mind that 1007 00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:10,410 you know that this is here to entertain 1008 00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:13,920 me and what secret machines appeared to 1009 00:41:19,460 --> 00:41:15,900 be was they were trying to do this dance 1010 00:41:21,950 --> 00:41:19,470 between real and you know fiction and 1011 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:21,960 they were trying to fill in pieces that 1012 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:23,490 they couldn't talk about that were real 1013 00:41:27,410 --> 00:41:26,010 that would get him in trouble with you 1014 00:41:30,020 --> 00:41:27,420 know with the government themselves 1015 00:41:32,330 --> 00:41:30,030 there they were they want you to believe 1016 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:32,340 they're dancing a fine line with what 1017 00:41:35,830 --> 00:41:34,170 they know and what's been declassified 1018 00:41:38,180 --> 00:41:35,840 and what they could talk about and 1019 00:41:40,580 --> 00:41:38,190 what's still being held back but they 1020 00:41:42,980 --> 00:41:40,590 can't talk about what's there and would 1021 00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:42,990 lead to opening up us going to the stars 1022 00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:45,119 that's kind of my take unto the Stars 1023 00:41:49,790 --> 00:41:47,700 what they're doing some of them you know 1024 00:41:51,530 --> 00:41:49,800 studied this phenomena and other guys 1025 00:41:54,109 --> 00:41:51,540 are trying to figure out the phenomenon 1026 00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,119 how we can use this to get us into deep 1027 00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:56,640 space and under stall travels so they're 1028 00:42:00,500 --> 00:41:58,770 trying to raise public funds you know 1029 00:42:02,420 --> 00:42:00,510 through stock offerings and offerings 1030 00:42:05,720 --> 00:42:02,430 remember how they're doing it to get the 1031 00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:05,730 money to go smooth the people to to get 1032 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:07,380 the real money because anyone that 1033 00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:09,330 thinks because people go wow they've 1034 00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:10,800 raised several million dollars maybe 1035 00:42:15,230 --> 00:42:12,720 they have but that's not even gonna get 1036 00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:15,240 them a facility and a piece of equipment 1037 00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:16,710 to start building what we're talking 1038 00:42:21,530 --> 00:42:18,510 about so they need some heavy-duty 1039 00:42:24,020 --> 00:42:21,540 lifting coming from inside the defense 1040 00:42:26,599 --> 00:42:24,030 agencies you know as far as the defense 1041 00:42:29,089 --> 00:42:26,609 agencies learning the sponsor Boeing and 1042 00:42:32,599 --> 00:42:29,099 these different companies to build this 1043 00:42:34,490 --> 00:42:32,609 now what's interesting was I I do a lot 1044 00:42:37,460 --> 00:42:34,500 of snooping around based on different 1045 00:42:39,980 --> 00:42:37,470 things that they say and I posted 1046 00:42:42,589 --> 00:42:39,990 yesterday a document now this was 1990 1047 00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:42,599 and and that's the problem I have with a 1048 00:42:46,790 --> 00:42:44,820 lot of this but you know people just 1049 00:42:49,220 --> 00:42:46,800 don't read much I don't want to go very 1050 00:42:53,060 --> 00:42:49,230 deep and dissect documents and look for 1051 00:42:55,460 --> 00:42:53,070 things but it was a 1990 document but it 1052 00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:55,470 went into things these are all NASA 1053 00:42:58,999 --> 00:42:56,579 people an engineer 1054 00:43:01,130 --> 00:42:59,009 and stuff talking about the future of a 1055 00:43:03,049 --> 00:43:01,140 Sphynx travel and where we needed to be 1056 00:43:05,419 --> 00:43:03,059 in what we needed to do and how we 1057 00:43:07,069 --> 00:43:05,429 needed to go out in deep space so why we 1058 00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:07,079 need to go out in deep space and there's 1059 00:43:11,089 --> 00:43:09,089 more out there I've come across more 1060 00:43:13,189 --> 00:43:11,099 stuff that's more current but I just do 1061 00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:13,199 this document out and a couple things 1062 00:43:18,019 --> 00:43:15,119 that stood out that are being addressed 1063 00:43:21,650 --> 00:43:18,029 today and this was a 1990 was were 1064 00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:21,660 ruining our ecosystem so they're their 1065 00:43:26,469 --> 00:43:24,329 answer was let's go out and do all the 1066 00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:26,479 mechanical stuff and another planet and 1067 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:30,150 keep earth pristine ok now there is a 1068 00:43:33,859 --> 00:43:32,249 race to go to deep space why is that is 1069 00:43:35,959 --> 00:43:33,869 it because they know we're destroying 1070 00:43:38,029 --> 00:43:35,969 everything so we can colonize these 1071 00:43:40,219 --> 00:43:38,039 other places grow our food and do our 1072 00:43:41,509 --> 00:43:40,229 stuff and do all to get all the minerals 1073 00:43:43,939 --> 00:43:41,519 and stuff them up there and stop 1074 00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:43,949 destroying what we have that's possible 1075 00:43:48,289 --> 00:43:46,410 they talked about that in 1990 but one 1076 00:43:50,449 --> 00:43:48,299 of the things that I really picked up on 1077 00:43:53,870 --> 00:43:50,459 which was very interesting was they 1078 00:43:57,199 --> 00:43:53,880 talked about sending out probes to other 1079 00:43:59,269 --> 00:43:57,209 set of places and then transmitting 1080 00:44:01,370 --> 00:43:59,279 consciousness human consciousness to 1081 00:44:06,259 --> 00:44:01,380 these probes and that would mean that we 1082 00:44:10,489 --> 00:44:06,269 now had human said occupied other other 1083 00:44:12,469 --> 00:44:10,499 planets or other locations and that 1084 00:44:14,089 --> 00:44:12,479 really was stunning to me that they 1085 00:44:15,919 --> 00:44:14,099 wanted to use human consciousness 1086 00:44:19,309 --> 00:44:15,929 because one of the things that's really 1087 00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,319 becoming a big word and ufology in this 1088 00:44:24,499 --> 00:44:21,359 field is consciousness itself how it 1089 00:44:26,390 --> 00:44:24,509 plays into all this so one of the things 1090 00:44:28,609 --> 00:44:26,400 that I'm questioning is is that's what's 1091 00:44:30,699 --> 00:44:28,619 already happened to us is what some of 1092 00:44:33,410 --> 00:44:30,709 what we're seeing and dealing with is 1093 00:44:36,140 --> 00:44:33,420 transmissions of consciousness from 1094 00:44:38,449 --> 00:44:36,150 other locations you know in the galaxy 1095 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:38,459 or even deeper and farther out than that 1096 00:44:43,509 --> 00:44:40,890 you know and that's the interaction 1097 00:44:47,749 --> 00:44:43,519 we're having and have these 1098 00:44:49,759 --> 00:44:47,759 civilizations learned how to get back 1099 00:44:52,489 --> 00:44:49,769 and forth using black holes or whatever 1100 00:44:55,370 --> 00:44:52,499 and getting here and trying to 1101 00:44:57,169 --> 00:44:55,380 communicate with us now I'm glad you 1102 00:45:01,219 --> 00:44:57,179 brought up by the C word consciousness 1103 00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:01,229 because you have been involved at least 1104 00:45:06,559 --> 00:45:04,529 to some extent with what's getting 1105 00:45:07,849 --> 00:45:06,569 talked about a little bit here and there 1106 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:07,859 at least among the other folks who are 1107 00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:10,290 following this whole subject 1108 00:45:18,050 --> 00:45:13,890 a study conducted by kick Greene and 1109 00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:18,060 Gary Nolan and Noland associated with 1110 00:45:25,220 --> 00:45:19,770 the to the Stars Academy as well 1111 00:45:28,220 --> 00:45:25,230 regarding consciousness telepathy eg 1112 00:45:30,740 --> 00:45:28,230 contact and so on I don't know how much 1113 00:45:33,190 --> 00:45:30,750 you can tell us about that but I know 1114 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:33,200 you've you've confirmed it openly so 1115 00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:35,490 tell us everything you possibly can 1116 00:45:43,099 --> 00:45:39,359 about all I'll be happy to lay it out 1117 00:45:45,260 --> 00:45:43,109 okay basically you'd kind of ask me two 1118 00:45:47,660 --> 00:45:45,270 questions and one earlier about the 1119 00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:47,670 radio and then some of the other stuff 1120 00:45:53,180 --> 00:45:50,520 that happened right well went to a Steve 1121 00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,190 Bassett conference and it was it was a 1122 00:45:58,820 --> 00:45:56,160 mock citizens hearing on UFOs and they 1123 00:46:01,130 --> 00:45:58,830 brought he is retired count 1124 00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:01,140 congressional people okay a couple more 1125 00:46:06,830 --> 00:46:03,359 very interesting because one of them was 1126 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:06,840 involved in the actual who's at the you 1127 00:46:12,530 --> 00:46:09,690 have not UFO it was a pentagon papers or 1128 00:46:14,300 --> 00:46:12,540 whatever okay this guy was had a heavy 1129 00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:14,310 background and understanding secret 1130 00:46:18,410 --> 00:46:16,890 government and what went on I and and if 1131 00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:18,420 you look at the interaction we have with 1132 00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:20,960 him he actually challenged us that what 1133 00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:23,520 what did we know that we weren't talking 1134 00:46:27,710 --> 00:46:25,410 about and we should tell them that day 1135 00:46:29,300 --> 00:46:27,720 and all the other people on the panel I 1136 00:46:30,980 --> 00:46:29,310 know though they don't have the rights 1137 00:46:34,450 --> 00:46:30,990 that we do don't don't say nothing you 1138 00:46:37,849 --> 00:46:34,460 know but anyway so we did this hearing 1139 00:46:42,170 --> 00:46:37,859 and it wasn't more than a couple weeks 1140 00:46:43,820 --> 00:46:42,180 later I get great contacts the lawyer 1141 00:46:46,460 --> 00:46:43,830 that was working with this and he was 1142 00:46:49,370 --> 00:46:46,470 really helping me on the whole thing 1143 00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:49,380 involving my illness the VA because it 1144 00:46:53,420 --> 00:46:50,880 was the lawyer or was that Daniel 1145 00:46:56,990 --> 00:46:53,430 Sheehan know that was pat force cornea a 1146 00:46:58,760 --> 00:46:57,000 guy that I met on yes he did a 1147 00:47:00,050 --> 00:46:58,770 conference in Mississippi and I start 1148 00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:00,060 talking to him about things and his 1149 00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,119 background was and he sued corporations 1150 00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:06,000 for wrongdoing it's okay so anyway we 1151 00:47:11,109 --> 00:47:07,890 were preparing the case and we were 1152 00:47:13,849 --> 00:47:11,119 using um we were using 1153 00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:13,859 John McCain was involved pretty much by 1154 00:47:18,980 --> 00:47:16,260 that point but we were going to take the 1155 00:47:24,350 --> 00:47:18,990 federal government to court and we were 1156 00:47:25,790 --> 00:47:24,360 going to do this this was not a like 1157 00:47:27,650 --> 00:47:25,800 you know we weren't trying to bluff him 1158 00:47:29,390 --> 00:47:27,660 we were going yeah and we're taking part 1159 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:29,400 we were doing steps to do this because 1160 00:47:34,340 --> 00:47:31,290 what they had done was they had 1161 00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:34,350 classified my records so the VA was 1162 00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:36,390 going along lines as well we can't 1163 00:47:40,700 --> 00:47:38,610 really see what happened oh and by the 1164 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:40,710 way anyway he really wasn't in when he 1165 00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:42,570 said the incident took place because the 1166 00:47:45,590 --> 00:47:44,310 documents we got from the Department of 1167 00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:45,600 Defense say didn't come in the Air Force 1168 00:47:50,420 --> 00:47:48,930 until 1980 do okay so based on the fact 1169 00:47:52,730 --> 00:47:50,430 that he wasn't in the Air Force when he 1170 00:47:54,230 --> 00:47:52,740 said the incident took place and the 1171 00:47:56,210 --> 00:47:54,240 fact that we don't have any medical 1172 00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:56,220 records and we have very little access 1173 00:48:02,600 --> 00:48:00,540 period to them we we can't make a you 1174 00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:02,610 know we can't judge or we're denying 1175 00:48:08,750 --> 00:48:05,280 this claim for being sick so we're like 1176 00:48:10,460 --> 00:48:08,760 well let us see what you have well we're 1177 00:48:12,290 --> 00:48:10,470 not gonna release his records well wait 1178 00:48:14,210 --> 00:48:12,300 a minute those are his records he has a 1179 00:48:16,250 --> 00:48:14,220 right to him we're not going to release 1180 00:48:18,830 --> 00:48:16,260 those records they are being held back 1181 00:48:21,650 --> 00:48:18,840 and the aides that worked on this behind 1182 00:48:25,190 --> 00:48:21,660 the scenes got verification they were in 1183 00:48:27,050 --> 00:48:25,200 a classified section or an agency inside 1184 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:27,060 the federal government that usually 1185 00:48:31,850 --> 00:48:28,650 holds on the records that were involved 1186 00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:31,860 in Special Operations incidents okay one 1187 00:48:36,380 --> 00:48:33,950 of the guys on the panel was a 1188 00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:36,390 congressman who worked in Maryland and 1189 00:48:42,470 --> 00:48:39,900 his biggest issuance were people that 1190 00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:42,480 were in the CIA and different agencies 1191 00:48:46,190 --> 00:48:44,370 that were injured and they were having 1192 00:48:49,340 --> 00:48:46,200 trouble getting care because everything 1193 00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:49,350 was locked out so he helped us this 1194 00:48:53,090 --> 00:48:50,970 other senator knew some stuff that 1195 00:48:54,740 --> 00:48:53,100 helped us we had sent her to McCain in 1196 00:48:56,570 --> 00:48:54,750 the middle of it I got general Williams 1197 00:48:58,610 --> 00:48:56,580 involved and some other things and I 1198 00:49:00,640 --> 00:48:58,620 eventually got my settlement but along 1199 00:49:03,830 --> 00:49:00,650 comes this guy by the name of kid green 1200 00:49:07,720 --> 00:49:03,840 no idea I've never heard of him talks to 1201 00:49:10,940 --> 00:49:07,730 Pat goes down and visits Pat okay and 1202 00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:10,950 tells Pat that he was very interested in 1203 00:49:18,740 --> 00:49:15,300 our case and us directly all right 1204 00:49:21,830 --> 00:49:18,750 so basically he flies in and out like a 1205 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:21,840 spook would that day right and what 1206 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:24,570 wants to meet with this right so he 1207 00:49:29,180 --> 00:49:26,970 eventually I agree to meet with him is 1208 00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,190 Sedona he flies out brings Pat out and 1209 00:49:34,490 --> 00:49:32,160 his wife who's a lawyer and a certified 1210 00:49:36,470 --> 00:49:34,500 nurse out and wants to talk to me about 1211 00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:36,480 my condition what's going on and 1212 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:38,960 why they're interested right in detail 1213 00:49:43,460 --> 00:49:41,490 okay and just for the record so 1214 00:49:44,630 --> 00:49:43,470 everybody understands is peniston's been 1215 00:49:46,700 --> 00:49:44,640 yelling and screaming about a lot of 1216 00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:46,710 this but Jim also took the time to meet 1217 00:49:51,140 --> 00:49:49,650 with this guy too and Rockford and came 1218 00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:51,150 and asked some very interesting 1219 00:49:54,980 --> 00:49:52,770 questions and came up with some things 1220 00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:54,990 too but what we may be getting out later 1221 00:50:00,200 --> 00:49:57,060 but getting back to this guy he shows up 1222 00:50:03,980 --> 00:50:00,210 and here's what he wants he wants to do 1223 00:50:08,570 --> 00:50:03,990 an MRI on me and to look into my brain 1224 00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:08,580 and then also he wants to take my DNA so 1225 00:50:16,849 --> 00:50:13,920 I'm like oh why and he gave me a rough 1226 00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:16,859 draft kind of a rough outline like 1227 00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:19,200 spooks do about why I'm not going into 1228 00:50:23,150 --> 00:50:22,530 great detail and I just thought that not 1229 00:50:25,970 --> 00:50:23,160 to interrupt 1230 00:50:27,859 --> 00:50:25,980 John but did he get did you get a sense 1231 00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:27,869 that he was fairly on and looking at 1232 00:50:31,670 --> 00:50:29,160 this sort of thing or this was kind of 1233 00:50:35,210 --> 00:50:31,680 an ongoing project he'd been through 1234 00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:35,220 many many times because it's still it 1235 00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:36,780 seems like it's still either going on 1236 00:50:43,010 --> 00:50:41,490 now or hasn't really gotten all that far 1237 00:50:46,220 --> 00:50:43,020 at this point and it seems like it's a 1238 00:50:48,290 --> 00:50:46,230 few years I'm not going to go into too 1239 00:50:51,050 --> 00:50:48,300 much of that end of it what I can tell 1240 00:50:52,910 --> 00:50:51,060 you is this they definitely had people 1241 00:50:56,510 --> 00:50:52,920 inside the military that were being 1242 00:50:58,609 --> 00:50:56,520 studied for different reasons okay um if 1243 00:51:00,380 --> 00:50:58,619 you read Annie Jacobson's book they 1244 00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,390 themselves explaining it a little bit 1245 00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:02,400 more in detail but what I could tell you 1246 00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,680 is it was an ongoing program that was 1247 00:51:08,510 --> 00:51:06,480 being sponsored they had funding for it 1248 00:51:10,070 --> 00:51:08,520 he wouldn't elaborate who the funding 1249 00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:10,080 was from whether it was federal 1250 00:51:14,859 --> 00:51:12,570 government or whatever but going forward 1251 00:51:18,650 --> 00:51:14,869 now you see that the government did fund 1252 00:51:21,710 --> 00:51:18,660 different programs through Bigelow and 1253 00:51:23,180 --> 00:51:21,720 bass and everything else so the you put 1254 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:23,190 two a two together it was probably 1255 00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:25,410 government money that was being spent to 1256 00:51:31,970 --> 00:51:28,290 do this stuff okay okay but what he 1257 00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:31,980 wanted was to do the MRI and into arm 1258 00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:35,040 and to do a DNA testing well I'm like 1259 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:37,500 whoa whoa am I gonna know what the 1260 00:51:43,099 --> 00:51:40,410 results are well yeah well we'll give 1261 00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,109 you a summary I go whoa what what kind 1262 00:51:46,910 --> 00:51:45,359 of second opinion can I get that well 1263 00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:46,920 there's really nobody else out there 1264 00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:50,130 that can give a second opinion this 1265 00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:53,700 is all top edge stuff on the MRI and 1266 00:51:59,450 --> 00:51:56,730 then the DNA and there's only two places 1267 00:52:01,880 --> 00:51:59,460 in the world that can do this DNA so I'm 1268 00:52:03,650 --> 00:52:01,890 like I don't think so 1269 00:52:06,259 --> 00:52:03,660 that's what I told him I says there's no 1270 00:52:08,509 --> 00:52:06,269 way so then he kept pushing and he said 1271 00:52:11,450 --> 00:52:08,519 well let's do at least through the MRI 1272 00:52:13,430 --> 00:52:11,460 this is okay well if I did the MRI we're 1273 00:52:15,529 --> 00:52:13,440 gonna do it in Mississippi we're gonna 1274 00:52:17,870 --> 00:52:15,539 do it at the hospital the past wife's 1275 00:52:19,940 --> 00:52:17,880 work so that you're gonna totally brief 1276 00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:19,950 this doctor on what you're looking for 1277 00:52:25,249 --> 00:52:22,319 what it is and I want to follow up by 1278 00:52:27,019 --> 00:52:25,259 their top neurologist you know in it 1279 00:52:27,799 --> 00:52:27,029 they're if what you're telling me is 1280 00:52:30,499 --> 00:52:27,809 true or not 1281 00:52:32,809 --> 00:52:30,509 whoa okay we could do that okay he 1282 00:52:34,370 --> 00:52:32,819 didn't really see that that excited at 1283 00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:34,380 that point then but we could do that so 1284 00:52:41,089 --> 00:52:36,690 he left and was driving down to the 1285 00:52:44,240 --> 00:52:41,099 valley okay so um I go back to my house 1286 00:52:45,740 --> 00:52:44,250 I lived in Sedona and my son hung out at 1287 00:52:47,150 --> 00:52:45,750 the hotel with Pat went swimming with 1288 00:52:48,890 --> 00:52:47,160 his son was out there or was hanging 1289 00:52:51,650 --> 00:52:48,900 around but time I got back from my house 1290 00:52:53,210 --> 00:52:51,660 Green had already called back from going 1291 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:53,220 down to the valley and said well I 1292 00:52:56,599 --> 00:52:54,930 really can't do the MRI because he's got 1293 00:52:59,390 --> 00:52:56,609 a pacemaker and I could we could do it 1294 00:53:03,259 --> 00:52:59,400 as long as the MRI was a pacemaker is um 1295 00:53:06,049 --> 00:53:03,269 is a you know MRI compatible but it'd be 1296 00:53:08,329 --> 00:53:06,059 hard to justify doing it based on um on 1297 00:53:10,579 --> 00:53:08,339 what I'm looking for he goes but I 1298 00:53:12,230 --> 00:53:10,589 really want that DNA sample so here's 1299 00:53:15,859 --> 00:53:12,240 what we're doing I'm flying in Gary 1300 00:53:17,809 --> 00:53:15,869 Nolan in to Vegas meeting with Kelleher 1301 00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:17,819 and they're going to drive down for 1302 00:53:23,029 --> 00:53:19,920 Vegas tomorrow and meet you in Flagstaff 1303 00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:23,039 and we're gonna get your DNA so pat was 1304 00:53:28,279 --> 00:53:26,220 like what and he's and because I wasn't 1305 00:53:30,740 --> 00:53:28,289 even there he goes I'd have to ask John 1306 00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,750 if he'd be willing to do it and then 1307 00:53:35,569 --> 00:53:32,880 they hung up so by the time I got back 1308 00:53:37,789 --> 00:53:35,579 there Pat's telling me this and but 1309 00:53:39,470 --> 00:53:37,799 between that hang up and the next hang 1310 00:53:40,910 --> 00:53:39,480 up was kid had already called the back 1311 00:53:42,700 --> 00:53:40,920 and said they were gonna be coming the 1312 00:53:45,950 --> 00:53:42,710 tickets and everything had been booked 1313 00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:45,960 so I'm looking at Pat and I go I ain't 1314 00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:48,480 giving him my DNA so this [\h__\h] ain't 1315 00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:50,730 gonna fly well to make a long story 1316 00:53:57,170 --> 00:53:53,849 short they did come down this was like 1317 00:53:59,029 --> 00:53:57,180 from a movie okay but we went to the 1318 00:54:00,440 --> 00:53:59,039 canyon now morning we did we drove to 1319 00:54:02,809 --> 00:54:00,450 the canyon they came in mid late 1320 00:54:03,980 --> 00:54:02,819 afternoon we met him first we first of 1321 00:54:06,530 --> 00:54:03,990 all I stated 1322 00:54:07,790 --> 00:54:06,540 deniz with my son and his son and him 1323 00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:07,800 and his wife went down and met with 1324 00:54:12,109 --> 00:54:10,260 Kelleher and Nolan at this hotel they 1325 00:54:16,570 --> 00:54:12,119 had a person there to draw the blood and 1326 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:16,580 get it out and everything else and um so 1327 00:54:20,780 --> 00:54:19,650 so yeah we did you know Kelleher and 1328 00:54:25,100 --> 00:54:20,790 knowing were at the time where these 1329 00:54:27,410 --> 00:54:25,110 guys I just had no idea basically up 1330 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:27,420 until I met them and then started doing 1331 00:54:32,780 --> 00:54:28,770 some research on him um 1332 00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:32,790 Nolan especially um Kelleher you know he 1333 00:54:35,870 --> 00:54:34,410 had something to do with skinwalker so I 1334 00:54:37,730 --> 00:54:35,880 may have heard this name before but I 1335 00:54:40,550 --> 00:54:37,740 really had never looked at skinwalker or 1336 00:54:42,650 --> 00:54:40,560 anything else okay so so they they don't 1337 00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:42,660 take no for an answer so they come and 1338 00:54:47,810 --> 00:54:44,880 get me and I go back down and I talked 1339 00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:47,820 to him and I meet Nolan and color and um 1340 00:54:52,370 --> 00:54:50,700 I said well you tell your boss which oh 1341 00:54:53,780 --> 00:54:52,380 did bigelow I was pretty sure was 1342 00:54:55,070 --> 00:54:53,790 involved with this but then just what 1343 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:55,080 they're saying and I had had 1344 00:54:58,070 --> 00:54:56,970 interactions with Diggle those people 1345 00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:58,080 for quite a while 1346 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:00,720 at the time they kept contacting me and 1347 00:55:04,190 --> 00:55:02,010 wanting to talk to me and I kept telling 1348 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:04,200 them no I said I'll talk to Bigelow not 1349 00:55:10,150 --> 00:55:07,410 you guys I don't talk to and they didn't 1350 00:55:12,859 --> 00:55:10,160 like that and I said and the other other 1351 00:55:14,690 --> 00:55:12,869 condition I have is I want to go up to 1352 00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:14,700 the ranch I'll meet with them at the 1353 00:55:18,140 --> 00:55:16,200 ranch and we could talk about this stuff 1354 00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:18,150 and stuff so I'd always get the well 1355 00:55:22,609 --> 00:55:20,130 we're not going to do that so well fine 1356 00:55:24,410 --> 00:55:22,619 and I don't talk to big law so anyway so 1357 00:55:25,849 --> 00:55:24,420 when I met with them I says I'm not in 1358 00:55:28,070 --> 00:55:25,859 any position to do this right now 1359 00:55:29,660 --> 00:55:28,080 because as you just told me again only 1360 00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:29,670 you could tell me what it is and there 1361 00:55:34,609 --> 00:55:32,880 is a lab in Germany they did does this 1362 00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:34,619 too so how am I going to get involved 1363 00:55:37,310 --> 00:55:36,090 you could tell me there's nothing to it 1364 00:55:39,530 --> 00:55:37,320 and there is there is something to it 1365 00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:39,540 what it is and I can't verify so I 1366 00:55:42,740 --> 00:55:41,010 really have no interest in this right 1367 00:55:44,060 --> 00:55:42,750 now I don't trust you I don't trust any 1368 00:55:46,940 --> 00:55:44,070 of this and I don't even know really who 1369 00:55:49,580 --> 00:55:46,950 you people are I said this is way beyond 1370 00:55:51,530 --> 00:55:49,590 what I what I can comprehend right now 1371 00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:51,540 and I needed more do more research 1372 00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:54,570 anyway so they were pissed okay they 1373 00:56:00,470 --> 00:55:58,170 just came down on a weekend and they 1374 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:00,480 left Green calls up at almost 1375 00:56:04,550 --> 00:56:02,010 immediately afterwards and just going 1376 00:56:07,010 --> 00:56:04,560 ballistic and I basically just said you 1377 00:56:09,650 --> 00:56:07,020 know what you guys aren't giving me [\h__\h] 1378 00:56:11,210 --> 00:56:09,660 okay do i doing [\h__\h] for me why am I 1379 00:56:14,090 --> 00:56:11,220 gonna do [\h__\h] for you other than to tell 1380 00:56:15,740 --> 00:56:14,100 me I'm really sick that I may die in the 1381 00:56:17,420 --> 00:56:15,750 near future and 1382 00:56:19,850 --> 00:56:17,430 you kind of have an idea what it is but 1383 00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:19,860 I'm not going to do anything for you so 1384 00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,000 go to hell all right and so this started 1385 00:56:28,310 --> 00:56:26,400 this long interaction that once start 1386 00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:28,320 this was in July that's going on to this 1387 00:56:32,090 --> 00:56:28,770 day 1388 00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:32,100 but what did happen was shortly after 1389 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:36,090 that um he met with Penniston and one of 1390 00:56:39,470 --> 00:56:37,890 the things that was interesting was him 1391 00:56:41,690 --> 00:56:39,480 and Penniston both agreed they told Pat 1392 00:56:43,580 --> 00:56:41,700 and he actually told me individually not 1393 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:43,590 the same time on the phone that I have 1394 00:56:48,140 --> 00:56:45,330 something hidden away that I'll remember 1395 00:56:50,420 --> 00:56:48,150 someday that's very important okay but I 1396 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:50,430 just kept telling them no I'm not giving 1397 00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:52,290 my DNA to the United States government 1398 00:56:57,230 --> 00:56:54,240 and you guys worth the fact that 1399 00:57:00,980 --> 00:56:57,240 nothing's being done for me so all of a 1400 00:57:04,370 --> 00:57:00,990 sudden out of the blue okay um and had 1401 00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:04,380 already gotten partial I've been seen by 1402 00:57:09,890 --> 00:57:08,370 the VA on on my disability complaint 1403 00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:09,900 okay okay 1404 00:57:14,690 --> 00:57:12,090 and they denied it right so I saw some 1405 00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:14,700 doctors there but Hollis sudden the VA 1406 00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:17,730 wanted to see me again okay they wanted 1407 00:57:23,570 --> 00:57:20,280 to see me and and I got this letter from 1408 00:57:26,020 --> 00:57:23,580 dr. Greene okay Pat got it actually he 1409 00:57:29,390 --> 00:57:26,030 ties that he ties this up very well in 1410 00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,400 attorney-client privileges okay so he 1411 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:31,440 sends his letter to Pat and it's a 1412 00:57:36,620 --> 00:57:33,450 detailed explanation of what's going on 1413 00:57:39,620 --> 00:57:36,630 all right and he says you can hand this 1414 00:57:42,080 --> 00:57:39,630 over to a VA doctor who will know what 1415 00:57:45,050 --> 00:57:42,090 to do with this and the wheels will 1416 00:57:48,050 --> 00:57:45,060 start getting turning on this like okay 1417 00:57:49,580 --> 00:57:48,060 so I go and see my doctor I get my first 1418 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:49,590 doctor's appointment and I'm getting 1419 00:57:55,070 --> 00:57:51,930 really sick I walk in a hand is to this 1420 00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:55,080 one doctor who I never you know he 1421 00:57:58,460 --> 00:57:56,850 wasn't even from that facility who's 1422 00:57:58,910 --> 00:57:58,470 from another facility I thought that was 1423 00:58:01,070 --> 00:57:58,920 strange 1424 00:58:03,110 --> 00:58:01,080 he immediately reads it gets up walks in 1425 00:58:04,580 --> 00:58:03,120 those talks to the main doctor you hear 1426 00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:04,590 I'm getting on the phone you can't hear 1427 00:58:07,130 --> 00:58:05,970 exactly what's being said but you can 1428 00:58:09,830 --> 00:58:07,140 hear because your office is right next 1429 00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:09,840 to where my exam room is next thing you 1430 00:58:13,790 --> 00:58:11,280 know they come flying in here and saying 1431 00:58:17,540 --> 00:58:13,800 oh okay we've already got your 1432 00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:17,550 cardiology appointment and Prescott 1433 00:58:22,580 --> 00:58:20,910 tomorrow or the next day on ba blah blah 1434 00:58:24,260 --> 00:58:22,590 goes to this cardiologist he's going to 1435 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:24,270 deal with all this so I go in and see 1436 00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:26,730 this cardiologist who immediately gets 1437 00:58:31,370 --> 00:58:29,130 me rolling and gets me down into two 1438 00:58:33,620 --> 00:58:31,380 whoo which is the main cardiology 1439 00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:33,630 division in Arizona so I go down there 1440 00:58:38,780 --> 00:58:35,850 almost immediately and know this happens 1441 00:58:41,510 --> 00:58:38,790 normally in the VA okay yeah right well 1442 00:58:43,460 --> 00:58:41,520 well I well I'll occations for a 1443 00:58:47,660 --> 00:58:43,470 disability getting denied that happens 1444 00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:47,670 all the time well know how fast I study 1445 00:58:50,570 --> 00:58:49,170 right right right yeah suddenly yeah 1446 00:58:53,860 --> 00:58:50,580 suddenly a key got turned in the lock 1447 00:58:55,970 --> 00:58:53,870 well so I go down there and the initial 1448 00:58:58,700 --> 00:58:55,980 reason I was going down there was for 1449 00:59:00,260 --> 00:58:58,710 further evaluation to be looked at and 1450 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:00,270 talked about possible surgery or what 1451 00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:02,490 they were gonna do I go in there and I 1452 00:59:06,590 --> 00:59:04,050 get early I get there early especially 1453 00:59:09,530 --> 00:59:06,600 on long drives and I noticed it's the 1454 00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:09,540 surgery area and the surgeons doctors 1455 00:59:13,850 --> 00:59:11,160 coming down calling everybody in and 1456 00:59:16,310 --> 00:59:13,860 then when it comes my turn a different 1457 00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:16,320 doctor calls me in and I'm like what's 1458 00:59:20,930 --> 00:59:18,510 going on here so I go back there and 1459 00:59:22,430 --> 00:59:20,940 they start negotiating with me on what 1460 00:59:24,830 --> 00:59:22,440 tests they want to do that day and 1461 00:59:27,110 --> 00:59:24,840 everything else and I'm like number one 1462 00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:27,120 I didn't come down here to stay 1463 00:59:29,240 --> 00:59:27,810 overnight 1464 00:59:32,090 --> 00:59:29,250 my son's playing the homecoming game 1465 00:59:34,070 --> 00:59:32,100 football tonight I'm not staying and I'm 1466 00:59:35,810 --> 00:59:34,080 not doing these tests and number two I 1467 00:59:37,610 --> 00:59:35,820 know enough about my board thicknesses 1468 00:59:39,170 --> 00:59:37,620 this is not the proper thing to do 1469 00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:39,180 because all you go to what you take this 1470 00:59:43,850 --> 00:59:41,130 and you'll be fine I'm not gonna do it 1471 00:59:46,550 --> 00:59:43,860 so he starts negotiations 1472 00:59:49,010 --> 00:59:46,560 um takes me back I meet the surgeon 1473 00:59:50,900 --> 00:59:49,020 who's bringing everybody else in so 1474 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:50,910 there really was this I was gonna have 1475 00:59:54,380 --> 00:59:52,170 this same surgery done by this 1476 00:59:57,050 --> 00:59:54,390 particular surgeon who's really tops in 1477 00:59:59,810 --> 00:59:57,060 his field but um and in starts ago she 1478 01:00:01,430 --> 00:59:59,820 he starts talking about my echo that no 1479 01:00:02,930 --> 01:00:01,440 one else could see and this is you know 1480 01:00:04,370 --> 01:00:02,940 what let's go downstairs 1481 01:00:06,860 --> 01:00:04,380 we've got better equipment we're gonna 1482 01:00:09,290 --> 01:00:06,870 do another echo the guys doing the echo 1483 01:00:12,740 --> 01:00:09,300 looks at it starts freaking out make 1484 01:00:16,370 --> 01:00:12,750 some phone calls and I end up back back 1485 01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:16,380 um back to this doctor who I've now got 1486 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:17,730 all these appointments scheduled and 1487 01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:19,290 they're gonna get the surgery done so 1488 01:00:24,620 --> 01:00:20,610 all of a sudden all this stuff happens 1489 01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,630 boom like this right so all this stuff 1490 01:00:28,250 --> 01:00:26,640 takes place I have a handler the whole 1491 01:00:30,590 --> 01:00:28,260 time whoever this other doctor is 1492 01:00:32,330 --> 01:00:30,600 because all these other patients the 1493 01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,340 surgeon dealt with him this guy was 1494 01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:35,040 everywhere I was he was he handled all 1495 01:00:39,020 --> 01:00:37,530 my everything you know how when you have 1496 01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:39,030 heart surgery they put holes in your 1497 01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:40,770 neck and they do all this stuff right 1498 01:00:44,900 --> 01:00:42,810 and the nurses the nurses will hang 1499 01:00:47,330 --> 01:00:44,910 all the tissue and everything from it 1500 01:00:50,510 --> 01:00:47,340 right okay he handled everything and he 1501 01:00:52,130 --> 01:00:50,520 bagged at all and everything and so he's 1502 01:00:54,500 --> 01:00:52,140 in there doing all this work with me 1503 01:00:58,400 --> 01:00:54,510 only and then he comes up to me and says 1504 01:00:59,930 --> 01:00:58,410 to me on Sunday he looks at me and we 1505 01:01:05,210 --> 01:00:59,940 start talking now I'm pretty [\h__\h] up 1506 01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:05,220 still I'm sorry excuse me outside I 1507 01:01:08,690 --> 01:01:06,570 don't even like that kind of language 1508 01:01:11,900 --> 01:01:08,700 out of you on your own show well I know 1509 01:01:16,190 --> 01:01:11,910 but I was a morphine so I was pretty 1510 01:01:18,590 --> 01:01:16,200 screwed up okay now um he asked me why 1511 01:01:21,650 --> 01:01:18,600 am i trying to cause problems for the 1512 01:01:24,830 --> 01:01:21,660 government why am i why I'm what I'm 1513 01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:24,840 trying to do is just disclose and and 1514 01:01:29,150 --> 01:01:26,730 and and interfere with classified 1515 01:01:30,800 --> 01:01:29,160 projects and I'm sitting there pretty 1516 01:01:33,860 --> 01:01:30,810 screwed up and I'm looking at him and 1517 01:01:36,500 --> 01:01:33,870 I'm like what and he asked me again it 1518 01:01:39,290 --> 01:01:36,510 says well first of all I'm pretty sick 1519 01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:39,300 so I got really nothing to lose but 1520 01:01:44,630 --> 01:01:42,090 really all I really want is to be taken 1521 01:01:46,850 --> 01:01:44,640 care of I said I want I've got my 1522 01:01:49,550 --> 01:01:46,860 surgery and it looks like I'll make a 1523 01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:49,560 recovery and I says but now I'm at the 1524 01:01:52,820 --> 01:01:50,880 point where I'm not going to be able to 1525 01:01:54,770 --> 01:01:52,830 work in the fields that I have and then 1526 01:01:57,620 --> 01:01:54,780 where I can make the most money so I am 1527 01:01:59,630 --> 01:01:57,630 looking for disability too so we talked 1528 01:02:02,830 --> 01:01:59,640 a little bit and he says I'm gonna do 1529 01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:02,840 some do a big blood draw and we're gonna 1530 01:02:10,220 --> 01:02:07,380 we're gonna take this blood and and and 1531 01:02:11,870 --> 01:02:10,230 we're gonna have it evaluated for more 1532 01:02:13,820 --> 01:02:11,880 details on your condition I'm like 1533 01:02:16,310 --> 01:02:13,830 [\h__\h] whatever so he takes the blood 1534 01:02:18,500 --> 01:02:16,320 long story short is I come to find out 1535 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:18,510 later that was the blood draw they want 1536 01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:20,970 that green and put off wanted to do 1537 01:02:26,090 --> 01:02:23,970 early green wanted to do they not only 1538 01:02:29,660 --> 01:02:26,100 did they have my blood but they had 1539 01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:29,670 tissue they had tissue right so they got 1540 01:02:35,390 --> 01:02:32,310 what they wanted okay but it was 1541 01:02:38,060 --> 01:02:35,400 interesting because I I did get my 1542 01:02:40,580 --> 01:02:38,070 surgery um eventually I did get my 1543 01:02:43,760 --> 01:02:40,590 disability and everything happened and I 1544 01:02:46,010 --> 01:02:43,770 never really prior to my surgery I kept 1545 01:02:48,110 --> 01:02:46,020 bantering with them I want this and this 1546 01:02:51,830 --> 01:02:48,120 before I'll even deal with you people 1547 01:02:53,540 --> 01:02:51,840 right so then I get what I asked for but 1548 01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:53,550 they never came back and said we want 1549 01:02:57,350 --> 01:02:56,130 your DNA and 1550 01:02:59,390 --> 01:02:57,360 are the reason why I learned some of 1551 01:03:01,160 --> 01:02:59,400 this what they did I mean there was 1552 01:03:03,230 --> 01:03:01,170 questions and I actually tried to get my 1553 01:03:05,030 --> 01:03:03,240 records and I was denied access to most 1554 01:03:06,650 --> 01:03:05,040 of that other than a few things I did 1555 01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:06,660 get to see because I basically had to 1556 01:03:10,460 --> 01:03:08,010 moving me down the day after surgery 1557 01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:10,470 down to the records section I got some 1558 01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:12,210 of it but a lot of it was already in the 1559 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:14,010 Vista system but anyway long story short 1560 01:03:18,830 --> 01:03:16,890 was John Alexander asked me so they come 1561 01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:18,840 after your DNA yet and then go well yeah 1562 01:03:21,830 --> 01:03:20,370 they want it but I didn't give it to him 1563 01:03:23,090 --> 01:03:21,840 and he laughs at me this is before we 1564 01:03:25,310 --> 01:03:23,100 did a radio interview go what do you 1565 01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:25,320 mean sorry got it they got it with your 1566 01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:27,480 surgery they got it with tissue on top 1567 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:29,250 of it they know what they want to know 1568 01:03:34,730 --> 01:03:32,250 I'm like oh god I should have known 1569 01:03:36,410 --> 01:03:34,740 better but I did so I'm like fine so 1570 01:03:38,810 --> 01:03:36,420 again nothing happened for a while and 1571 01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:38,820 then it was like maybe six months later 1572 01:03:46,190 --> 01:03:42,330 I get this email I'm coming to visit you 1573 01:03:47,900 --> 01:03:46,200 and that was great I'm like okay so he 1574 01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:47,910 comes and visits me he gives me some 1575 01:03:53,030 --> 01:03:49,920 more documents to read and look at and 1576 01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,040 some some things to think about and 1577 01:03:58,640 --> 01:03:55,200 start looking into possibly doing and 1578 01:04:01,400 --> 01:03:58,650 and then he says would you would you 1579 01:04:04,460 --> 01:04:01,410 give us your DNA now and I'm like you 1580 01:04:07,370 --> 01:04:04,470 already have it and he goes well you 1581 01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:07,380 know we need it we need your permission 1582 01:04:13,130 --> 01:04:11,610 to use it and I'm like I look at MS as 1583 01:04:15,230 --> 01:04:13,140 well okay kid 1584 01:04:17,540 --> 01:04:15,240 that's fine I said I did always banter 1585 01:04:19,310 --> 01:04:17,550 you guys back and say if I got taken 1586 01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:19,320 care of you know and this is where 1587 01:04:23,150 --> 01:04:20,880 people think I got bought off okay I 1588 01:04:26,090 --> 01:04:23,160 didn't get really bought off but I did 1589 01:04:29,780 --> 01:04:26,100 get what I asked for I got the medical 1590 01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:29,790 surgery and I got disability they 1591 01:04:32,750 --> 01:04:31,290 finally cleared everything and they got 1592 01:04:34,850 --> 01:04:32,760 it taken care of it was a lot of people 1593 01:04:36,530 --> 01:04:34,860 working on this to include green was 1594 01:04:37,850 --> 01:04:36,540 behind the scenes working on it Williams 1595 01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:37,860 was working on it so they did give me 1596 01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:40,170 what I asked for and I said sure that's 1597 01:04:45,650 --> 01:04:43,050 fine I said if that's that important for 1598 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:45,660 me to be in this study that Norman 1599 01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:48,330 involves mostly current events then yes 1600 01:04:52,580 --> 01:04:49,890 you can have my DNA 1601 01:04:53,870 --> 01:04:52,590 officially okay but the interesting 1602 01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:53,880 thing was they didn't want blood this 1603 01:05:04,340 --> 01:04:57,690 time they wanted just me to give the 1604 01:05:06,650 --> 01:05:04,350 typical spit so I did and but I had one 1605 01:05:07,850 --> 01:05:06,660 more request and I'm gonna clear this up 1606 01:05:09,980 --> 01:05:07,860 today if you don't mind 1607 01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:09,990 okay sure aye-aye 1608 01:05:13,190 --> 01:05:12,330 I'm adopted I don't know my family 1609 01:05:19,510 --> 01:05:13,200 heritage 1610 01:05:21,770 --> 01:05:19,520 I said so my son would like to know what 1611 01:05:23,900 --> 01:05:21,780 my background is he knows what his 1612 01:05:26,420 --> 01:05:23,910 mother's side of the family is but no 1613 01:05:28,160 --> 01:05:26,430 idea what what are I'm not okay what 1614 01:05:32,030 --> 01:05:28,170 mine is so that makes sense 1615 01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:32,040 that's a would you pay for a DNA study 1616 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:33,690 arm 1617 01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:38,010 besides DNA for on me you know as far as 1618 01:05:42,020 --> 01:05:39,570 your study but would you take a separate 1619 01:05:44,660 --> 01:05:42,030 sample and his sample and see the 1620 01:05:46,460 --> 01:05:44,670 characteristics absolutely I'll do that 1621 01:05:49,220 --> 01:05:46,470 for you that's not a problem he goes I 1622 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:49,230 can't um pay pay your money because 1623 01:05:52,190 --> 01:05:50,490 first you thought I wanted him to pay me 1624 01:05:54,470 --> 01:05:52,200 money right now so he goes we don't do 1625 01:05:57,730 --> 01:05:54,480 that right like whatever this is what I 1626 01:06:02,990 --> 01:05:57,740 want so he did okay so he sent off a 1627 01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:03,000 sample to this lab in Pennsylvania 1628 01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:05,910 believe it or not and um highly 1629 01:06:11,810 --> 01:06:08,250 accredited blah blah blah and everything 1630 01:06:13,700 --> 01:06:11,820 and on that part and then sent the 1631 01:06:15,890 --> 01:06:13,710 sample for the study which is ongoing 1632 01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:15,900 yes and the one thing I'll say about the 1633 01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:17,730 study with the military study of it is 1634 01:06:20,960 --> 01:06:19,410 one of the reasons why they use military 1635 01:06:22,970 --> 01:06:20,970 is pretty obvious 1636 01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:22,980 you've got confirmed events most of 1637 01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:24,089 these events suppose they have never 1638 01:06:27,859 --> 01:06:25,890 been declassified and people know about 1639 01:06:30,349 --> 01:06:27,869 but you also have access to military 1640 01:06:33,620 --> 01:06:30,359 personnel records and military records 1641 01:06:35,420 --> 01:06:33,630 so you have all this this in the bank so 1642 01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:35,430 you kind of know what these people were 1643 01:06:38,780 --> 01:06:37,050 involved with it's not like a civilian 1644 01:06:40,820 --> 01:06:38,790 not to say that civilities don't have 1645 01:06:45,220 --> 01:06:40,830 incidents but you can't really backtrack 1646 01:06:50,570 --> 01:06:47,660 additional evidence corroborating 1647 01:06:54,050 --> 01:06:50,580 witnesses radar physical evidence got 1648 01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:54,060 you got a lot more oh well here's where 1649 01:06:59,030 --> 01:06:56,730 this is it so that's that study it's 1650 01:07:00,950 --> 01:06:59,040 going on it's gone going they they're 1651 01:07:02,540 --> 01:07:00,960 doing it all I'm not gonna go into a lot 1652 01:07:03,620 --> 01:07:02,550 of detail just because I don't think 1653 01:07:05,390 --> 01:07:03,630 it's the right thing to do 1654 01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:05,400 because I don't even totally understand 1655 01:07:11,150 --> 01:07:07,410 it myself and I have never gotten any 1656 01:07:12,500 --> 01:07:11,160 results back okay on where it mixes and 1657 01:07:15,230 --> 01:07:12,510 everything else I've been promised I 1658 01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:15,240 will but I haven't gotten it back but a 1659 01:07:19,609 --> 01:07:18,089 few movements what major I think it 1660 01:07:21,530 --> 01:07:19,619 would have been this would have been May 1661 01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:21,540 in September or October I'd have to go 1662 01:07:28,220 --> 01:07:23,250 back and look at emails and anything 1663 01:07:30,080 --> 01:07:28,230 I got on I got a phone call and normally 1664 01:07:31,910 --> 01:07:30,090 we didn't interact that way it was an 1665 01:07:33,860 --> 01:07:31,920 email can I call you this but I got woke 1666 01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:33,870 up out of a dead sleep early in the 1667 01:07:40,550 --> 01:07:38,460 morning and he tells me he goes oh are 1668 01:07:42,200 --> 01:07:40,560 you sitting down I go you just woke me 1669 01:07:43,370 --> 01:07:42,210 up I'm standing here what do you want to 1670 01:07:44,300 --> 01:07:43,380 tell him he goes you need to sit down 1671 01:07:46,850 --> 01:07:44,310 okay 1672 01:07:50,450 --> 01:07:46,860 now unless this is green on the phone 1673 01:07:52,190 --> 01:07:50,460 this is green on okay okay um and I'm 1674 01:07:54,110 --> 01:07:52,200 only gonna tell you this much because 1675 01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:54,120 I'm because this has all come up 1676 01:07:59,360 --> 01:07:56,970 recently and I never was gonna make this 1677 01:08:00,710 --> 01:07:59,370 public other than I've talked to some 1678 01:08:02,750 --> 01:08:00,720 people behind the scenes and I've been 1679 01:08:08,090 --> 01:08:02,760 talking a little bit about what happened 1680 01:08:09,980 --> 01:08:08,100 with this and also what what to some 1681 01:08:11,870 --> 01:08:09,990 people that understand DNA and 1682 01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:11,880 everything else you know what I mean and 1683 01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:13,650 running these tests see I've tried to 1684 01:08:18,710 --> 01:08:15,930 get some verifications on this because 1685 01:08:21,950 --> 01:08:18,720 it's hard but I've got the reports and 1686 01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:21,960 the reports that what he told me backs 1687 01:08:25,610 --> 01:08:23,730 up what the report says in other words 1688 01:08:29,450 --> 01:08:25,620 he didn't lie to me about what the 1689 01:08:31,999 --> 01:08:29,460 report said okay okay so I've got copies 1690 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:32,009 of this report now what's been tried to 1691 01:08:36,620 --> 01:08:33,930 use against me as I'm trying to add this 1692 01:08:39,530 --> 01:08:36,630 into the case and and screw the case up 1693 01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:39,540 I'm not this is what happened to me and 1694 01:08:44,539 --> 01:08:41,460 I have all the proof that this took 1695 01:08:47,059 --> 01:08:44,549 place to include the results from the 1696 01:08:49,550 --> 01:08:47,069 DNA testing and I'm not going to go into 1697 01:08:51,289 --> 01:08:49,560 it other than to say this his response 1698 01:08:53,690 --> 01:08:51,299 to me when I sat down was you're in your 1699 01:09:00,019 --> 01:08:53,700 senator to the most unique human beings 1700 01:09:02,269 --> 01:09:00,029 on earth and I'm like what come on okay 1701 01:09:04,220 --> 01:09:02,279 and and he says no I'm getting nude 1702 01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:04,230 reports and he send them to me that day 1703 01:09:08,930 --> 01:09:06,330 over email and then he sent me hard 1704 01:09:12,260 --> 01:09:08,940 copies too and he says based on your DNA 1705 01:09:15,890 --> 01:09:12,270 background and everything else you guys 1706 01:09:18,860 --> 01:09:15,900 are to the most unique individuals on 1707 01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:18,870 planet Earth your bloodline and your 1708 01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:20,490 bloodline and his mother's blood lying 1709 01:09:27,110 --> 01:09:23,839 and then what created Kate and I'm like 1710 01:09:29,809 --> 01:09:27,120 I'm like what and actually I should say 1711 01:09:31,999 --> 01:09:29,819 that he didn't have his mother stop he 1712 01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:32,009 said we need your mother's his mother's 1713 01:09:36,370 --> 01:09:34,920 arm DNA to verify some more things which 1714 01:09:38,260 --> 01:09:36,380 they did get 1715 01:09:40,809 --> 01:09:38,270 and then they what they told me and this 1716 01:09:43,209 --> 01:09:40,819 is all I'm gonna say is that his 1717 01:09:46,749 --> 01:09:43,219 bloodline my bloodline is mother 1718 01:09:50,050 --> 01:09:46,759 bloodline are very unique and that I've 1719 01:09:52,180 --> 01:09:50,060 got all the results but what I can say 1720 01:09:55,560 --> 01:09:52,190 to people is that when they tried to 1721 01:09:59,050 --> 01:09:55,570 twist this around is I have no way of 1722 01:10:01,570 --> 01:09:59,060 verifying this other than if I want to 1723 01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:01,580 spend six seven eight thousand dollars 1724 01:10:07,209 --> 01:10:04,010 because the test that he paid for was an 1725 01:10:09,700 --> 01:10:07,219 $8,000 test okay it was like death so 1726 01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:09,710 for me to do this I have to drop several 1727 01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:11,449 thousand dollars to get some 1728 01:10:16,629 --> 01:10:14,000 verification on this okay which is not 1729 01:10:18,879 --> 01:10:16,639 something I'm going to do but this is 1730 01:10:21,669 --> 01:10:18,889 the problem with this whole incident in 1731 01:10:23,979 --> 01:10:21,679 this case and even me is you get this 1732 01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:23,989 stuff that comes out but it's hard to 1733 01:10:30,669 --> 01:10:27,920 verify and back things up but it is true 1734 01:10:32,680 --> 01:10:30,679 that I've had DNA testing done and 1735 01:10:35,110 --> 01:10:32,690 there's something that they feel is 1736 01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:35,120 unique about all this that much I will 1737 01:10:40,300 --> 01:10:37,760 say they feel I have no idea and can 1738 01:10:42,129 --> 01:10:40,310 confirm this for sure okay and you're 1739 01:10:43,660 --> 01:10:42,139 getting the sense in talking to people 1740 01:10:45,550 --> 01:10:43,670 because obviously you got a lot of 1741 01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:45,560 contacts around day you talk to some 1742 01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:48,560 other people who have been involved in 1743 01:10:53,229 --> 01:10:51,650 this this is from what Nolan has stated 1744 01:10:54,820 --> 01:10:53,239 pretty openly winning yet interviewed 1745 01:10:59,770 --> 01:10:54,830 with Whitley Strieber at the end of last 1746 01:11:07,540 --> 01:10:59,780 year this antenna that that you've got 1747 01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:07,550 that and I've never ever been told 1748 01:11:11,620 --> 01:11:08,960 because first of all remember now they 1749 01:11:15,419 --> 01:11:11,630 didn't do an MRI on me okay they've 1750 01:11:18,430 --> 01:11:15,429 never did an MRI so I've never been told 1751 01:11:20,919 --> 01:11:18,440 directly that I have an antenna okay in 1752 01:11:23,770 --> 01:11:20,929 other words that part of the study I did 1753 01:11:27,399 --> 01:11:23,780 participate in what I have been told is 1754 01:11:30,189 --> 01:11:27,409 my my DNA's unique okay that's what I've 1755 01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:30,199 been told now has there been innuendos 1756 01:11:35,860 --> 01:11:32,719 that whatever this intent is supposed to 1757 01:11:37,899 --> 01:11:35,870 be or whatever this all implies to 1758 01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:37,909 include psychic abilities have I had 1759 01:11:44,399 --> 01:11:40,730 innuendos that I had those abilities yes 1760 01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:44,409 did I got two flown down to how put off 1761 01:11:49,690 --> 01:11:47,570 facility and met with him over over a 1762 01:11:51,790 --> 01:11:49,700 whole weekend and I got 1763 01:11:54,370 --> 01:11:51,800 briefs on some stuff and Stargate and 1764 01:11:57,190 --> 01:11:54,380 some other stuff and pointed towards 1765 01:11:59,350 --> 01:11:57,200 certain things that I should look into 1766 01:12:00,820 --> 01:11:59,360 and I could be involved with and was 1767 01:12:04,900 --> 01:12:00,830 asked to be involved with certain things 1768 01:12:08,050 --> 01:12:04,910 and um I also was giving some practices 1769 01:12:10,570 --> 01:12:08,060 to start working on to enhance allegedly 1770 01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:10,580 my psychic ability and my psychic 1771 01:12:17,230 --> 01:12:14,480 ability so have they hinted it yes have 1772 01:12:19,180 --> 01:12:17,240 have do have it's been confirmed to me 1773 01:12:20,410 --> 01:12:19,190 that I have whatever this antenna could 1774 01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:20,420 be or whatever 1775 01:12:25,710 --> 01:12:23,030 oh no and what I want to say on this the 1776 01:12:28,810 --> 01:12:25,720 closes part out is this okay number one 1777 01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:28,820 once I got my settlement I was perfectly 1778 01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:31,760 content to go quiet okay and what I mean 1779 01:12:35,860 --> 01:12:33,650 by that was I was gonna let everybody 1780 01:12:38,890 --> 01:12:35,870 know thank you for all your help and yes 1781 01:12:42,190 --> 01:12:38,900 I did get a settlement okay number two 1782 01:12:44,280 --> 01:12:42,200 if kik ring had not come out on about 1783 01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:44,290 top secret and made a statement he make 1784 01:12:49,150 --> 01:12:47,330 about this whole thing on his own not I 1785 01:12:52,420 --> 01:12:49,160 mean I had no idea who's gonna do this 1786 01:12:55,900 --> 01:12:52,430 he did it on top of any Jacobson's book 1787 01:12:58,390 --> 01:12:55,910 right it came out on all of this to 1788 01:13:03,070 --> 01:12:58,400 pilot even further after kid green 1789 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:03,080 statement Andy Jacobs book and then last 1790 01:13:05,860 --> 01:13:04,970 but not least to the stars and what 1791 01:13:08,850 --> 01:13:05,870 they're talking about 1792 01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:08,860 including experiences I would have just 1793 01:13:15,160 --> 01:13:11,930 ended the radio showed my part of it and 1794 01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:15,170 went all of my life why I've been sucked 1795 01:13:21,010 --> 01:13:18,170 into this further now how much of this 1796 01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:21,020 is true or not is open to debate and I 1797 01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:23,840 get the skeptics and you know that the 1798 01:13:27,490 --> 01:13:25,370 questions some of this aware is this 1799 01:13:29,950 --> 01:13:27,500 really going i'm skeptical about some of 1800 01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:29,960 this too and a lot of this reads like a 1801 01:13:33,970 --> 01:13:32,000 sci-fi novel do you know what I mean 1802 01:13:36,370 --> 01:13:33,980 sure no you bet I don't you mean 1803 01:13:38,880 --> 01:13:36,380 absolute oh I have a lot of issues with 1804 01:13:41,530 --> 01:13:38,890 this too and I ask questions 1805 01:13:44,020 --> 01:13:41,540 consistently to these guys and I don't 1806 01:13:46,810 --> 01:13:44,030 get the answers I'm looking for from 1807 01:13:48,790 --> 01:13:46,820 them based based on what they say 1808 01:13:50,980 --> 01:13:48,800 publicly and what goes on a document 1809 01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:50,990 Zion covered so I have interaction with 1810 01:13:56,110 --> 01:13:52,880 them I'm asking questions and I'm not 1811 01:13:57,670 --> 01:13:56,120 sold on all this okay and now I hear 1812 01:13:59,260 --> 01:13:57,680 that they're going to start putting some 1813 01:14:01,420 --> 01:13:59,270 of the results of this study out well 1814 01:14:02,350 --> 01:14:01,430 see here's my problem with that I was 1815 01:14:05,200 --> 01:14:02,360 told 1816 01:14:07,200 --> 01:14:05,210 originally by Nolan and Kelleher this 1817 01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:07,210 study was never going to be made public 1818 01:14:12,850 --> 01:14:09,530 that all this was going to be kept quiet 1819 01:14:14,350 --> 01:14:12,860 it was being used privately okay for 1820 01:14:17,500 --> 01:14:14,360 research and development 1821 01:14:19,780 --> 01:14:17,510 well that gone public with it okay all 1822 01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:19,790 right and now they're actually saying 1823 01:14:24,370 --> 01:14:21,440 they're going to release some of the 1824 01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:24,380 study's findings oh I don't like that 1825 01:14:29,470 --> 01:14:27,650 okay cuz here's the problem the world is 1826 01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:29,480 pretty messed up right now we don't get 1827 01:14:34,300 --> 01:14:32,719 along okay so now they're going to 1828 01:14:36,910 --> 01:14:34,310 release some of these studies and 1829 01:14:39,090 --> 01:14:36,920 findings based on their data which 1830 01:14:41,169 --> 01:14:39,100 hasn't been you know what I call 1831 01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:41,179 confirmed because there's no one else 1832 01:14:46,780 --> 01:14:44,090 that can really do this right there's no 1833 01:14:48,850 --> 01:14:46,790 really other place to do this they may 1834 01:14:52,359 --> 01:14:48,860 have some of these papers vetted you 1835 01:14:55,300 --> 01:14:52,369 know prepare review but the state is all 1836 01:14:59,439 --> 01:14:55,310 raw data supposedly that can't really be 1837 01:15:01,479 --> 01:14:59,449 verified and based on that alone and if 1838 01:15:03,160 --> 01:15:01,489 they release this could cause a huge 1839 01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:03,170 shitstorm for everybody do you 1840 01:15:08,109 --> 01:15:05,690 understand what I mean well by everybody 1841 01:15:09,970 --> 01:15:08,119 do you mean that just uh you have the 1842 01:15:10,990 --> 01:15:09,980 folks involved subjects of the study 1843 01:15:13,060 --> 01:15:11,000 you're talking about you like get 1844 01:15:16,479 --> 01:15:13,070 yourself and whoever else was involved 1845 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:16,489 or yeah I mean here's some of the issues 1846 01:15:21,879 --> 01:15:19,010 I have they talked about hybrids right I 1847 01:15:23,680 --> 01:15:21,889 mean people talk about hybrids okay DNA 1848 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:23,690 and there's other people that are from 1849 01:15:29,169 --> 01:15:25,850 somewhere else and the antenna theory 1850 01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:29,179 which is I added a discussion last night 1851 01:15:33,729 --> 01:15:31,369 from this Chris crystal Wolford is the 1852 01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:33,739 guy that you've had on chris is a great 1853 01:15:37,990 --> 01:15:36,050 guy talking about this well I said do 1854 01:15:39,580 --> 01:15:38,000 you understand what this means all yes I 1855 01:15:42,310 --> 01:15:39,590 understand it's best what's best for 1856 01:15:43,990 --> 01:15:42,320 mankind I don't understand that okay we 1857 01:15:47,410 --> 01:15:44,000 can't get along with each other we fight 1858 01:15:49,090 --> 01:15:47,420 wars on religion money you know and all 1859 01:15:51,820 --> 01:15:49,100 this other stuff we go to battle all the 1860 01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:51,830 time over this is me me me me so now 1861 01:15:56,169 --> 01:15:54,170 let's just say they introduced or give 1862 01:15:59,070 --> 01:15:56,179 the hint that there is another species 1863 01:16:01,899 --> 01:15:59,080 out there or something is different 1864 01:16:04,450 --> 01:16:01,909 what's that going to do how's that gonna 1865 01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:04,460 affect people do you know what I mean 1866 01:16:08,590 --> 01:16:06,530 how's it gonna affect a religious people 1867 01:16:10,180 --> 01:16:08,600 they claim some of these battles going 1868 01:16:11,950 --> 01:16:10,190 on internally have to do with these 1869 01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:11,960 religious people inside the government 1870 01:16:15,939 --> 01:16:14,719 the military and these agencies so if 1871 01:16:18,160 --> 01:16:15,949 they start dropping 1872 01:16:21,370 --> 01:16:18,170 hints out that some of this is real or 1873 01:16:23,469 --> 01:16:21,380 existed based on these studies I don't 1874 01:16:25,660 --> 01:16:23,479 really think that's such a smart idea in 1875 01:16:29,169 --> 01:16:25,670 my opinion okay especially when you 1876 01:16:30,729 --> 01:16:29,179 can't verify it well but yeah just not 1877 01:16:32,410 --> 01:16:30,739 that I don't know maybe this is a 1878 01:16:33,729 --> 01:16:32,420 subject change maybe it isn't but then 1879 01:16:35,410 --> 01:16:33,739 you'd mentioned something earlier I want 1880 01:16:37,419 --> 01:16:35,420 to follow up on you had talked about 1881 01:16:39,790 --> 01:16:37,429 them providing you was sort of a like a 1882 01:16:42,580 --> 01:16:39,800 psychic workout program and that type of 1883 01:16:44,979 --> 01:16:42,590 thing have you done it no what do you if 1884 01:16:47,649 --> 01:16:44,989 you have what are the results do you 1885 01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:47,659 think it's helping is it is it improving 1886 01:16:51,939 --> 01:16:49,760 or is it an interesting exercise what do 1887 01:16:54,430 --> 01:16:51,949 you think well what I could tell you is 1888 01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:54,440 this okay the programs they asked me to 1889 01:16:59,770 --> 01:16:57,440 work on our ancient that there's really 1890 01:17:02,919 --> 01:16:59,780 nothing to follow on most of it there's 1891 01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:02,929 a little bit out there on a couple 1892 01:17:08,949 --> 01:17:05,360 people they are that you know go back 1893 01:17:11,709 --> 01:17:08,959 and if studies is ancient these programs 1894 01:17:14,169 --> 01:17:11,719 and understand this so you can do some 1895 01:17:17,919 --> 01:17:14,179 research and have I worked on a little 1896 01:17:20,229 --> 01:17:17,929 bit yes and yes you can see some results 1897 01:17:22,569 --> 01:17:20,239 that's best I'm going to say there is 1898 01:17:24,699 --> 01:17:22,579 something too there is no doubt there is 1899 01:17:26,379 --> 01:17:24,709 something to meditation and all this and 1900 01:17:29,379 --> 01:17:26,389 different things that you can do with 1901 01:17:31,839 --> 01:17:29,389 the mind I don't dispute that at all but 1902 01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:31,849 again that's another problem 1903 01:17:36,850 --> 01:17:34,610 if you don't educate people the proper 1904 01:17:40,029 --> 01:17:36,860 way in other words if you don't explain 1905 01:17:42,910 --> 01:17:40,039 it back it up with documentation and 1906 01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:42,920 testing it can be verified you leave it 1907 01:17:46,989 --> 01:17:45,050 open to a huge mess which is what you 1908 01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:46,999 followed you really is you've got all 1909 01:17:51,729 --> 01:17:49,760 this stuff going on and you've got hints 1910 01:17:53,589 --> 01:17:51,739 and pieces and glimpse of what it could 1911 01:17:55,870 --> 01:17:53,599 be and what it couldn't be but it's all 1912 01:17:58,029 --> 01:17:55,880 open to interpretation and it causes 1913 01:18:00,430 --> 01:17:58,039 this big fight then and mess it goes on 1914 01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:00,440 now if they do this the same way with 1915 01:18:04,569 --> 01:18:02,449 the study and these experiences and 1916 01:18:06,910 --> 01:18:04,579 everything else to me that's not a good 1917 01:18:10,180 --> 01:18:06,920 thing I don't like it and I'm not very 1918 01:18:13,410 --> 01:18:10,190 comfortable okay okay understood but as 1919 01:18:18,669 --> 01:18:13,420 far as using a little bit of this 1920 01:18:20,410 --> 01:18:18,679 psychic stuff by yourself just you you 1921 01:18:22,209 --> 01:18:20,420 feel like gather some benefit to it that 1922 01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:22,219 you're enjoying it you get something out 1923 01:18:26,340 --> 01:18:22,810 of it 1924 01:18:28,110 --> 01:18:26,350 I don't know if I enjoy it or what the 1925 01:18:30,900 --> 01:18:28,120 benefits are it's I it's eye-opening 1926 01:18:33,770 --> 01:18:30,910 let's put it through that it's 1927 01:18:38,400 --> 01:18:33,780 eye-opening what we're capable of now 1928 01:18:40,980 --> 01:18:38,410 again let's get to that little caveat 1929 01:18:43,380 --> 01:18:40,990 does that mean everyone can do it and 1930 01:18:46,320 --> 01:18:43,390 there's nothing special about any of us 1931 01:18:48,660 --> 01:18:46,330 I don't know you know what I mean if 1932 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:48,670 people start researching this and try it 1933 01:18:53,370 --> 01:18:50,410 it maybe everybody can do this which 1934 01:18:56,660 --> 01:18:53,380 means everybody's the same right the 1935 01:18:58,980 --> 01:18:56,670 problem I have is it's been it kind of 1936 01:19:01,380 --> 01:18:58,990 hinted at that there are people that 1937 01:19:04,770 --> 01:19:01,390 have that are different do you know what 1938 01:19:07,470 --> 01:19:04,780 I mean yeah yeah that that is something 1939 01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:07,480 that never goes boats well with people 1940 01:19:11,670 --> 01:19:09,730 you know and I mean and that's one of 1941 01:19:13,140 --> 01:19:11,680 the things like you get Linda going into 1942 01:19:14,580 --> 01:19:13,150 this you get other people well there's 1943 01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:14,590 hybrids and they're gonna replace this 1944 01:19:19,410 --> 01:19:16,810 well that's a real nice thing to tell 1945 01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:19,420 people you know and I mean that just 1946 01:19:23,610 --> 01:19:20,770 deal with the fact that we're eventually 1947 01:19:26,220 --> 01:19:23,620 gonna be replaced and no big deal just 1948 01:19:30,210 --> 01:19:26,230 just accept it move on with it nothing 1949 01:19:31,890 --> 01:19:30,220 to see here folks well I do think 1950 01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:31,900 obviously there's something to it I 1951 01:19:38,910 --> 01:19:33,250 played around a little bit with it 1952 01:19:40,650 --> 01:19:38,920 myself I've had enough enough unique 1953 01:19:42,990 --> 01:19:40,660 hits that I think it goes a little bit 1954 01:19:44,610 --> 01:19:43,000 beyond are a random chance I I think 1955 01:19:47,190 --> 01:19:44,620 there's something they are I think it's 1956 01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:47,200 a sense but you know our visions a sense 1957 01:19:52,740 --> 01:19:50,080 is our hearing is a sense our speaking 1958 01:19:55,320 --> 01:19:52,750 is a sense and they get fooled and 1959 01:19:58,170 --> 01:19:55,330 messed up all the time so this this 1960 01:20:02,640 --> 01:19:58,180 other sense this sort of a non-physical 1961 01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:02,650 sense is really open to a lot of a lot 1962 01:20:09,620 --> 01:20:06,370 of air here's the thing who's going to 1963 01:20:12,060 --> 01:20:09,630 teach you this number one and number two 1964 01:20:15,030 --> 01:20:12,070 you're basically what you're just 1965 01:20:16,830 --> 01:20:15,040 describing the Star Wars the Jedi's yeah 1966 01:20:18,870 --> 01:20:16,840 that's what you're describing 1967 01:20:21,630 --> 01:20:18,880 so that's science fiction from what the 1968 01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:21,640 eighties okay you look at the phenomenon 1969 01:20:27,450 --> 01:20:24,400 itself you look at contact the movie and 1970 01:20:29,730 --> 01:20:27,460 what she ended up interacting with you 1971 01:20:31,950 --> 01:20:29,740 look at it all so you look at Star Trek 1972 01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:31,960 The Next Generation and Q that's 1973 01:20:36,690 --> 01:20:34,480 basically what Q was supposed to be a 1974 01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:36,700 phenomenon that could take you 1975 01:20:42,420 --> 01:20:38,650 form shape but it was really energy 1976 01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:42,430 right so you have all these hints to 1977 01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:44,770 include that document that that I put 1978 01:20:49,230 --> 01:20:47,290 out now the 1991 on one of their looking 1979 01:20:51,810 --> 01:20:49,240 at this now you have consciousness 1980 01:20:53,430 --> 01:20:51,820 involved grant Cameron's under the 1981 01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:53,440 impression the consciousness means you 1982 01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:56,080 can travel from point A to B out into 1983 01:21:00,420 --> 01:20:57,760 into the universe 1984 01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:00,430 well okay well the those people that 1985 01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:02,080 were in this NASA study were kind of 1986 01:21:06,240 --> 01:21:03,520 saying that they were going to set up a 1987 01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:06,250 communications link and transform human 1988 01:21:12,030 --> 01:21:08,970 consciousness to another to another 1989 01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:12,040 location and the humans will now occupy 1990 01:21:20,970 --> 01:21:17,290 this area so it's very sci-fi it's very 1991 01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:20,980 hard to understand and there's not been 1992 01:21:24,900 --> 01:21:23,290 a lot of documents to support this one 1993 01:21:28,230 --> 01:21:24,910 way or another other than just what 1994 01:21:31,260 --> 01:21:28,240 we've been teased with it is my point 1995 01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:31,270 and I'm a black-and-white type of guy I 1996 01:21:35,490 --> 01:21:32,800 really like to have it laid out in front 1997 01:21:37,170 --> 01:21:35,500 of me and have it really hard to be 1998 01:21:39,420 --> 01:21:37,180 disputed now I'm not saying there's not 1999 01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:39,430 some give-and-take in it but it's just 2000 01:21:43,500 --> 01:21:41,530 like the binary then when it came up 2001 01:21:45,540 --> 01:21:43,510 I asked Prometheus right away is this 2002 01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:45,550 unspeakable oh yes we stand by our 2003 01:21:49,980 --> 01:21:48,130 research prometheus is the the ancient 2004 01:21:51,300 --> 01:21:49,990 aliens production company yeah it's a 2005 01:21:53,280 --> 01:21:51,310 production company we'll come to find 2006 01:21:55,650 --> 01:21:53,290 out there was a lot of holes in the 2007 01:21:57,510 --> 01:21:55,660 binary do you know what I mean yeah so 2008 01:22:00,390 --> 01:21:57,520 and it caused a lot of trouble for the 2009 01:22:02,250 --> 01:22:00,400 case so all I'm getting at is there are 2010 01:22:04,670 --> 01:22:02,260 some very crazy things going on right 2011 01:22:07,070 --> 01:22:04,680 now okay when you go to to the stars 2012 01:22:10,050 --> 01:22:07,080 these studies that are going on 2013 01:22:12,330 --> 01:22:10,060 Rendlesham is all over the place on what 2014 01:22:14,190 --> 01:22:12,340 could be and what couldn't be including 2015 01:22:17,130 --> 01:22:14,200 that there is a national phenomenon in 2016 01:22:18,690 --> 01:22:17,140 the area you you a pieces they liked it 2017 01:22:21,030 --> 01:22:18,700 then if I am now that's been identified 2018 01:22:24,060 --> 01:22:21,040 that's been studied there there's a book 2019 01:22:25,950 --> 01:22:24,070 written on that study on how this all 2020 01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:25,960 could interact into what we encountered 2021 01:22:30,060 --> 01:22:27,610 the technologies we've developed and 2022 01:22:33,030 --> 01:22:30,070 we're even testing over there so this is 2023 01:22:34,830 --> 01:22:33,040 a lot of unknowns that I would like to 2024 01:22:38,730 --> 01:22:34,840 see explained a lot better than it has 2025 01:22:40,890 --> 01:22:38,740 been absolutely absolutely well I on I 2026 01:22:42,510 --> 01:22:40,900 sure do appreciate you coming on you 2027 01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:42,520 covered everything I asked you about and 2028 01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:44,760 that gave me a actually a whole lot more 2029 01:22:48,030 --> 01:22:47,410 before we wrap up anything you've got 2030 01:22:50,150 --> 01:22:48,040 for us 2031 01:22:51,650 --> 01:22:50,160 you got anything coming up 2032 01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:51,660 that you want to tell us about I know 2033 01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:53,370 you you mentioned that you've got this 2034 01:22:58,070 --> 01:22:55,650 the unknown physicists coming up 2035 01:23:00,110 --> 01:22:58,080 hopefully on your show shortly 2036 01:23:03,260 --> 01:23:00,120 anything else you got for us before we 2037 01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:03,270 wrap up here oh not really just um you 2038 01:23:06,830 --> 01:23:05,250 know you guys are doing a great job I 2039 01:23:09,260 --> 01:23:06,840 appreciate all your help over the years 2040 01:23:11,710 --> 01:23:09,270 lutely and and the fact that you know 2041 01:23:14,060 --> 01:23:11,720 our show we're trying to put out 2042 01:23:17,330 --> 01:23:14,070 thought-provoking stuff for people to 2043 01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:17,340 start thinking about and but here's my 2044 01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:20,130 problem as guilty as the government is 2045 01:23:25,400 --> 01:23:23,280 of what they do um if you really want 2046 01:23:26,930 --> 01:23:25,410 some answers folks don't rely on others 2047 01:23:29,390 --> 01:23:26,940 go out there and do some of your own 2048 01:23:31,250 --> 01:23:29,400 research absolutely you know get educate 2049 01:23:34,910 --> 01:23:31,260 yourself on this there's a lot out there 2050 01:23:37,190 --> 01:23:34,920 um and you know form your own opinions 2051 01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:37,200 don't let other people direct what you 2052 01:23:39,740 --> 01:23:38,400 shouldn't shouldn't think of how you 2053 01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:39,750 should view it and what you should do 2054 01:23:43,850 --> 01:23:40,130 with it 2055 01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:43,860 absolutely well John thanks so very much 2056 01:23:49,970 --> 01:23:46,770 again for coming on you have a great day 2057 01:23:51,470 --> 01:23:49,980 and I'll be listening every Thursday as 2058 01:23:54,350 --> 01:23:51,480 soon as I get home from work to your 2059 01:23:56,500 --> 01:23:54,360 show over in kg alright I have a great 2060 01:24:02,360 --> 01:23:56,510 day and thanks again for joining us 2061 01:24:05,420 --> 01:24:02,370 thanks Frank and that ends our show for 2062 01:24:07,130 --> 01:24:05,430 this week and try to stay cool today 2063 01:24:10,250 --> 01:24:07,140 it's getting a little humid here in the 2064 01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:10,260 East so you have a good one and join us